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The People's Republik, ov course, Komrade.
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Aaaahh.... thanks. I figured a small hammer and sickle would be used instead of the "C".
Not to mention crappy guns laws make for serious constitutional infringements and just getting worse, makes it so nice for those of us who
treasure the 2nd amendment. We literally are told that private property must be sold out of state or turned in soon. Last chance is in the courts since Trump will be appointing judges for a while.
I probably will retire in AZ for a multitude of reasons at this rate, retirement cash will be taken out of Commiefornia.
I am behind enemy lines for now.
John has a long moustache, John has a long moustache.
treasure the 2nd amendment. We literally are told that private property must be sold out of state or turned in soon. Last chance is in the courts since Trump will be appointing judges for a while.
I probably will retire in AZ for a multitude of reasons at this rate, retirement cash will be taken out of Commiefornia.
I am behind enemy lines for now.
John has a long moustache, John has a long moustache.
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If I may be permitted to return this thread to California disasters of the natural kind ...
Don't underestimate the emotional toll of a big earthquake. We were in several substantial ones in our time in California, and just three miles from ground zero of the '94 Northridge quake.
It was terrifying. I awoke at 4:31 AM with a physical sensation akin to a pair of sneakers in a tumble dryer, and my wife yelling to son #1, with reference to son #2, "Break his door down if you have to!!!" There was the sound of things crashing to the floor all around; the grandfather clock falling against our bedroom door. We got out through the sliding door from the bedroom to the patio. It was warm for a January pre-dawn -- clear and 65 degrees. It was a Santa Ana wind event -- the warm, dry northeast winds long regarded by some native Californians as "earthquake weather". There was a small brush fire on the hillside above us, from a downed power line, and a red glow in the east, from the inferno where a broken gas main took out an entire block of homes on Balboa Boulevard in Northridge. And there was an unusually bright, starry sky for Los Angeles -- because all the city lights were knocked out. Our feet were wet, from the water that sloshed out of the swimming pool onto the patio. And the ground was still convulsing every couple of minutes.
When we finally worked up the nerve to walk between the houses to the street, we discovered that a couple of hours before the quake, one of our older son's friends had decided it would be funny to toilet-paper our house. But that's another story. As dawn broke we had an impromptu neighborhood block party with all the neighbors, calming nerves and making sure everyone was ok. With daylight I drove six miles of city streets (traffic lights out at all intersections) to check on my grandmother. She was ok, but her chimney was a pile of bricks scattered about her patio. No landline phones were working, of course. We had no contact with the outside world until I was finally able to reach a relative nine hours later with my primitive car-mounted cellular phone.
We spent the next night, still without power, in sleeping bags in the back of our son's pickup truck in the driveway, and the night after that in a pup tent on the front lawn. Neighbors graciously allowed our boys, 19 and 14, to sleep in their big motor home on the street in front of their house. Water service was restored four days later, but we had to boil it for two weeks thereafter. It took four gallon-sized milk jugs of water from the swimming pool for each toilet flush.
It wasn't just the 4:31 AM M6.7 quake ... it was the thousands of aftershocks, that went on for months, that drove us nuts. And all the while scientists on TV were still saying this might just have been a foreshock for an even bigger one. You went to bed every night knowing you would be awakened at least once by an aftershock ...
Our 14-year-old was seriously affected by the quake and continuing aftershocks. After a couple of days I had to fly some files and office equipment in a rented Saratoga to our firm's Palmdale office, which was essentially cut off from our main office due to the collapsed highways. I took our son with me, and dropped him off at a relative's house in the high desert to get him out of the shaking. Now, at age 38, he still sleeps with lights and TV on, all because of January 17, 1994.
Our next-door neighbor was a retired RCAF F-104 pilot. For the next two weeks he would be standing out on the sidewalk with a highball in his hand, not wanting to go back into the house. "I'd rather be shot at in combat than go through this," he said.
(If you wonder what the neighborhood looked like, see the movie "Poltergeist 2", filmed on our street. Our former house is in the movie, second from the corner during the opening credits.)
Not necessarily. In any event, once the shaking starts you don't have enough time to have a choice in the matter.
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Zeldman
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And won't everyone be surprised when all the land east of California slides into the Atlantic.....
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I was in LA for Landers in 1992. That was enough for me.
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Thank you! Live and let live. If it doesn't directly impact me than I generally don't care what people do. I do have an issue with my tax dollars paying for things I don't support, but that would happen anywhere and generally I'm happy with what my tax dollars buy me. PS, when I lived in Mass I felt a lot more judged for some of my more moderate/conservative views. I don't find that in CA, maybe I've been lucky but @denverpilot that's what I meant by "libertarian"...
Yeah, I think New Jerseyians (?) own it lol. Florida too to some extent (I feel allowed to say that, have family there!!). But I do think CA is up there with "Cirrus" as far as inviting a reaction lol. BTW, I genuinely don't know what the "K" stands for. I assumed it was something intentionally snide like when people say "scarebus" instead of Airbus (can't blame me for trying to keep this aviation related lol)
Thanks, I genuinely don't know. Glad I'm not the only one
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I don't spend too much time in Los Angeles myself, and from what I understand the late eighties and early nineties we're an interesting time there.. so I can't blame someone for having a negative perception of the state from it..
But I would seriously invite folks who haven't been to California to spend some time here, not in the cities but out in the wilderness and some of the more rustic areas
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Last post for a while, I promise. But @Pilawt that sounds horrid, no doubt it's traumatic. Sister was at UCLA in the mid nineties when there was a quake and it was terrifying for her. Thanks for the detailed recount
P.S. - to keep this aviation related: http://jalopnik.com/5783955/how-i-landed-a-767-in-tokyo-after-japans-deadly-earthquake
P.S. - to keep this aviation related: http://jalopnik.com/5783955/how-i-landed-a-767-in-tokyo-after-japans-deadly-earthquake
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Yeah I'll head right out and bring my rifles for some fun. Oh wait... nope. LOL.
Not visiting any time soon.
Nice to have VNY in the logbook after "One Six Right" came out, but that's about the only positive from living and working in LA.
Later had to come regularly to Walnut Hills to see Chevron's telecom folks a few years later and to do emergency repairs at our POP right at the base of the Bay Bridge on the SF side when needed.
Didn't find the crowded roads, tolls, or traffic all that great even back then. Can't imagine what a hell hole of traffic the SF area is by now.
Weather was always total crap in SF too. Yuck. Only place worse is Seattle. Or Chicago in January. Seattle slightly wetter, Chicago colder.
San Diego area was slightly better back then and the area up around Ontario. Flew up there for business a few times and it was "okay". It was summer and mostly just hot.
I know @Everskyward likes it but like I said, y'all can keep it. Had my fill of overcrowded California when I traveled for a living.
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Bay Area weather is hardly "yucky" for an instrument rated pilot. It is usually flyable, except for cold or very heavy storms in winter.
Don't think you got anywhere near the "feel" of any place from a few week business trip. It doesn't work that way.
There are plenty of hunters in California. I'll bet that just blows your mind, doesn't it? And I drive by three mountain shooting ranges every day (the urban ones are much harder to spot).
Don't think you got anywhere near the "feel" of any place from a few week business trip. It doesn't work that way.
There are plenty of hunters in California. I'll bet that just blows your mind, doesn't it? And I drive by three mountain shooting ranges every day (the urban ones are much harder to spot).
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Weather was in relation to living in it, not flying in it. I'll stick with 300 days of sunshine a year. Airplane doesn't care much about it. I do.
It was wayyyyyy longer and more often than a few weeks.
Didn't say there weren't hunters. Said I couldn't bring my rifles. You know, no fancy plastic bullet box release button modifications to keep the kiddies safe that can be removed in less than five minutes by anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together and something pointy to disassemble the rifle with.
I own more than one "Not legal for sale in Kalifornia" firearms. I must be their social problem. LOL.
I bet they're so libertarian they have reciprocity with my State's concealed carry permits. Oops. Nope. Guess not.
LMAO. Kalifornia a libertarian place! That really was the funniest thing I've read about the place in a long time. Good luck making that a reality.
No seriously, good luck... but I suspect hell will freeze over first.
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Taking me to task in this.. let me clarify I didn't say CA was libertarian, I'm well aware it is far to the left.. but I did say that:
and I hold by that based on my personal experiences. P.S., I'm not alone in thinking this, Ron Paul won a straw poll by a *very* wide margin over other GOP contenders back in 2011
http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/09/17/california.straw.poll
Whether he's a "real" libertarian is another discussion... but not all folks here left wing extremists. Just look at the county election map from 2016
But I digress
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I think it's mostly rural areas that are so outnumbered by the hoards in the cities there, that it really becomes mostly meaningless once it's all counted.
We're headed the same way after the influx of Californians in the 90s and beyond. Our densely/overpopulated areas are the only areas that lean far left, but they outnumber everyone else just by packing themselves in like sardines.
Most of the suburban building nowadays here is the same ugly junk I saw tons of in California. Three story monster houses with a strip of land so small between them, you can mow it with one pass of a regular push mower.
Historically, that's not Colorado. It's just a weird Metro thing learned or desired from living elsewhere.
Even when we were in the city in our house there for 12 years, we sought out a development that went up in the 60s, brick construction, two story, boring, old trees, and decent neighbors, and an HOA that wasn't interested in anyone's business. They just paid for the noise fence along a major street. Area only became an incorporated city in the early 2000s to stave off annexation by multimillionaires in real mansions to the north of it. Had property lines large enough we had a double driveway to a garage the previous owner built out back himself. Simple stuff. It slowly got surrounded by a big mall, light rail, and other goofy stuff, but retained the old Denver neighborhood feel.
None of that going up anymore. You should see the crowded junk they've built on the old Stapleton airport property. Walking distance from your shoebox to modern looking strip malls with national chain sandwich shops and no parking anywhere. So called "walking neighborhoods" with neighbors so close you can smell their BO through your window if you both leave your windows open. Of course they never would. Central air takes care of that. Yuck. Loud. Crowded. Imported. Fake affluence. Approved colors.
A buddy of mine still lives in a very old neighborhood in Denver proper. He was proud of his kid when they went to the suburbs one day... "Dad, everything is beige. Is this the suburbs?" "Yep." "Should I lock the doors?" LOL.
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It took us years to find a house that wasn't a mcmansion and gave us some land. I just figured that's all they build these days... it's too bad really
Oh well. That's why I fly. To be free and away from all that
I agree with you there, my favorite is when they take a McDonald's or KFC and jazz it up to look fancy. It's all so contrived.
Oh well. That's why I fly. To be free and away from all that
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I hear ya there!
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Man. You really don't have enough negative things to say.
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LOL. What can I say. I didn't enjoy my time there at all.
Or more accurately, found enough annoyances that weren't going to change (traffic, overcrowding, weather, earthquakes, attitudes (like the fake affluence thing - remember this is post 80's and early 90s when yuppies were still a big thing - a yuppie driving a K-car or a pickup truck was unheard of blasphemy... BMW 3 series cars ruled the traffic jam... our family car growing up was the mighty Chevy Citation II, and it was a company car that got sold to the family after the mileage limits were up, although we did have late 60s and mid 70s muscle cars for fun and a venerable old Fiat Spyder) ...
... but at least back then the wacko left thing had JUST started and it wasn't completely off the rails yet. There was a chance that an election could swing the other way.
Nowadays? Fat chance. So if you mix all the annoyances with an political ideological illogical nightmare... that hasn't ended in almost three decades and shows no sign of return to center...
Nope. Not much nice to say about it. Not as a place to live. I'm not "bashing" it in any attempt to harm anyone there. One just knows what they like and don't like by the time you reach a certain age.
Too much there I don't like. Some folks do. That's cool.
I can give sillier but real examples. The place is teeming with aviation history. Probably only Wichita, Kansas beats it in that regard. But a couple years ago I read of some dip-weed group that was protesting the annual Fleet Week Blue Angels stuff because they were so anti-war they couldn't even just let folks watch the air show. Yeah, we all know the military teams do the demos as marketing to entice folks to join up. This isn't any surprise. But the fact that it made big news in the Bay Area and got a CRAP-TON of air time... I was thinking... "Who needs to put up with watching that much coverage about it for multiple nights on local news. The protestors had a point, but sheesh. Three days of coverage of them? Surely something else more interesting is going on."
Another example: Berkeley. Has some incredible history in Unix tech. Also has some excellent history in left-leaning political movements of the past. Not my cup of tea, but I could respect it. What's it turning into today? A campus that can't even be bothered by any speaker they don't agree with and erupts into violence just because someone was asked to come speak? Pitiful place now. Really. Tragic even.
There's great stuff to visit, no doubt. Redwoods, Baja, Napa, even a small dose of Hollyweird as a tourist, the while Bay Area thing with the streetcars and Alcatraz and what-not, U.S. 1 along the coast, see where the once entrepreneurial tech companies started, long list.
But living there was like living anywhere else. You didn't do the touristy stuff -- so it was just traffic, traffic, and more traffic, and a typical big city commute.
Just never saw a compelling reason to stay.
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Then don't move here. No one said you have to like it.
A little respect for those of us who choose differently would be expected from someone who thinks he's a libertarian.
Believe me, there are some nasty things in Colorado, too. You just don't hear me blaming you for them or pointing them out every time the state name is mentioned. And I don't **** on YOUR threads to tell you how sucky your state is.
I posted this thread for some factual images of a natural disaster. But certain members of POA are not mature enough to handle it, so I won't make the mistake again.
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Already made it clear I don't care who moves where.
Also made it clear I don't care what you say about Colorado.
Being proud of a state border is about as useful as being proud of a magenta line on a GPS.
Didn't create them, they're just lines on a map made up for someone's convenience. Someone else will come along and move the lines eventually in a thousand years, on average. Or rename the place. Not exactly any particularly respect-worthy thing.
The lines that define my State, some weirdos from Kansas needed, so they could elect themselves and name all the downtown streets after themselves. They had to rename one to "Market Street" after that guy ended up the town drunk. He kept sitting under "his" streetsign and telling everyone it was his, which embarrassed the politicians from Kansas greatly.
They moved here because they sucked at politics in Kansas apparently. Better chances that way that they could create themselves cushy political jobs.
They waited until 12 years after the volunteer cavalry slaughtered all the original locals. Named some towns after the dead folk like good Europeans. LOL.
About the best thing "Colorado" ever did was try to not participate in the mass round-up of Japanese Americans (mostly from California) in WWII. The governor tried to say no, he wouldn't let our State be home to a concentration camp for U.S. Citizens.
He lost, of course. Yay Statehood. LOL.
Don't worry. You didn't place those lines on a map and neither did I, so neither one of us needs to care much about them. They're just a convenience so we don't have to say "X miles west of me, out where the leftists live near the coast".
It's called a discussion. It's okay. We do that on discussion boards.
You can discuss Colorado all you like. Or any other contrived line on a map. Doesn't bother me in the slightest. Fire up a "bash" Colorado thread. I recommend starting with demanding a national apology for exporting Federico Pena. LOL.
Actually, what I find amusing is that a pilot of light aircraft is freaked out about earthquakes. An F16 runs over a 152 killing all aboard? It happens. Saw a collapsed freeway on TV 30 years ago? Oh no!
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I like turtles, and California.
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I will have to say that the times it was absolutely necessary for me to visit California I found the majority of the people to be friendly and helpful. Only one not so good memory was when I was about to step on the bus at LAX to go to the international terminal from the domestic terminal, the driver slammed the door on me, catching my laptop between the closed doors. I looked at the driver, she just kept looking straight ahead, so I put my foot against the door and pushed. Well..... I broke the device that opens and closes the door, some glass and the bottom hinge. I stepped on board, and the driver just kept staring ahead. I told her, "I am sorry, it appears I broke your door when you slammed it on me."
She didn't even look at the door. But other than that I have had good experiences visiting in California.
Lets not forget that California is one of the largest farm states in the country as well as ranching.
As for New Jersey, I felt like it was necessary to goose step and shoot my right hand in the air whenever I met someone. My sister lives there and is a strong supporter of the socialist/communist parties. I felt as if I was being watched constantly because I did not carry my own hammer and sickle.
I am much more comfortable away from crowds.
She didn't even look at the door. But other than that I have had good experiences visiting in California.
Lets not forget that California is one of the largest farm states in the country as well as ranching.
As for New Jersey, I felt like it was necessary to goose step and shoot my right hand in the air whenever I met someone. My sister lives there and is a strong supporter of the socialist/communist parties. I felt as if I was being watched constantly because I did not carry my own hammer and sickle.
I am much more comfortable away from crowds.
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At what point does it become a pathetic manifesto?
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Those are typed on typewriters and the authors usually aren't talking to anyone, and then they go blow up things sooooo not too much discussion going on in those. Other than with the voices in their heads.
Oh man, I LIKED CA! I used to live there - twice! I still enjoy dropping in when work takes me there. But, to mis-quote a King, "The trouble with California is, it's full of Californians". Not all of them, of course, maybe not even most, but plenty enough to give it an arrogant, unaccountable, over-reaching gov't, confiscatory taxes, a stunningly inept bureaucracy, and a parasitical civil service. The topography and climate are both diverse and breath-taking, they can grow most anything, the wine is great, and you have to work at it to get a bad meal there. But, at the city, county, and state levels, they couldn't manage a one-car funeral . . .
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It's entirely possible that you wrote it on a typewriter first.
Easy on the state-bashing and bitterness. There's myriad reasons that so many of us live in California.
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I fly a Cirrus AND live in California. BOOM
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It's entirely possible that you wrote it on a typewriter first.
Easy on the state-bashing and bitterness. There's myriad reasons that so many of us live in California.
"Most people live somewhere because they haven't moved."
Deep thoughts, by Jack Handy. LOL.
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You haven't moved from Denver?
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College speech class group oral presentations...my group did our entire final tag team reciting Deep Thoughts by Jack Handy.
We all got an A.
Yes, it was a California College.
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Oh that's funny. Autocorrect got me. Edited. But the alternative word was pretty funny too.
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Dammit. Now I'm an hour into watching all these videos again... thanks a lot Nate.
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That dude is funny. I forget who, but someone here turned me on to those, so it's all PoA's fault.
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I made several shuttle flights from VNY to WJF for our firm in the weeks after the quake. On one of them, I'd just fired up the Saratoga and started taxiing, when a sharp little M4.5 aftershock hit. It felt like I was taxiing on three flat tires.
I called ground control to file a PIREP for moderate turbulence on the east taxiway.
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I moved out of the People's republic 3 years ago.. The gun laws there are the MOST ridiculous in the country... And they keep passing new ones.. Emissions laws... c'mon.. ffs.. I still have all my family and friends there, and i wish they'd wake up