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We sold our 172 and are in the process of buying a high performance, complex plane. My wife has no time in such a plane, but is due for her BFR . Would it make sense, to rent an HP/Complex plane and have a CFI do the BFR while also giving instruction in the plane for her endorsement? Or should she get her BFR in a plane she is familiar with? Or should she wait until we buy the plane and she gets sufficient dual training and then get her BFR?
 
Why would her HP / Complex / checkout not count as a BFR? Roll it all into one big happy lump. Unless she wants to fly sooner than the new plane will be available, then get it done now.
 
Hank S said:
Why would her HP / Complex / checkout not count as a BFR?
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Because there is more required for a flight review than is necessary included in a HP/complex endorsement. It is certainly no problem to add the necessary additional training for a flight review and combine them, but a 61.31 additional training endorsement in your logbook does not by itself count for 61.56 flight review purposes.

Before making any suggestions beyond that, I would ask whether she plans to do any flying between now and when you get the new plane. If not, I'd say wait for that plane and then do all three (HP, complex, and flight review) in that plane. Otherwise, get the flight review in whatever she will be flying in the interim and do the others in the new plane when you get it.
 
Ron Levy said:
Because there is more required for a flight review than is necessary included in a HP/complex endorsement. It is certainly no problem to add the necessary additional training for a flight review and combine them, but a 61.31 additional training endorsement in your logbook does not by itself count for 61.56 flight review purposes.

Before making any suggestions beyond that, I would ask whether she plans to do any flying between now and when you get the new plane. If not, I'd say wait for that plane and then do all three (HP, complex, and flight review) in that plane. Otherwise, get the flight review in whatever she will be flying in the interim and do the others in the new plane when you get it.
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Thanks Ron,
We don't plan to be doing any more flying until we get the new plane (hopefully, about 2 weeks), so we will wait and do it all together. We won't have much time to fly before then anyway.

That is, unless something comes up and the purchase falls through. Then we will figure out a Plan B.
 
JOhnH said:
Thanks Ron,
We don't plan to be doing any more flying until we get the new plane
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Captain Obvious here: make sure the CFI you use has experience in the type you're buying.

I've had a few clients come to me and say "Can you train me in X" when I haven't had much experience in that type. I've had to negotiate some time flying it separately just to be familiar with the type.
 
hook_dupin said:
Captain Obvious here: make sure the CFI you use has experience in the type you're buying.
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Captain Ron agrees with Captain Obvious on that. What are you looking at? If it's a Bonanza, I highly recommend joining the ABS and getting a BPPP checkout -- you'll learn a lot about owning and maintaining the plane as well as the basics of flying it.
 
Ron Levy said:
Captain Ron agrees with Captain Obvious on that. What are you looking at? If it's a Bonanza, I highly recommend joining the ABS and getting a BPPP checkout -- you'll learn a lot about owning and maintaining the plane as well as the basics of flying it.
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Yes it is a Bonanza and I have joined ABSand sselected a CFI they certified.
 
JOhnH said:
We sold our 172 and are in the process of buying a high performance, complex plane. My wife has no time in such a plane, but is due for her BFR . Would it make sense, to rent an HP/Complex plane and have a CFI do the BFR while also giving instruction in the plane for her endorsement? Or should she get her BFR in a plane she is familiar with? Or should she wait until we buy the plane and she gets sufficient dual training and then get her BFR?
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You're going to need a minimum number of hours in type for the insurance. Might as well make sure you have it via rentals before the purchase.
 
I had to check my CFI out in my Swift so he could give me my Flight Review. :yes:


Jim R
Collierville, TN

N7155H--1946 Piper J-3 Cub
N3368K--1946 Globe GC-1B Swift
N4WJ--1994 Van's RV-4
 
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denverpilot said:
You're going to need a minimum number of hours in type for the insurance. Might as well make sure you have it via rentals before the purchase.
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Insurance wants 10 hrs dual which we plan to incorporate with the transition training and BFR. They also want another 15 hrs solo before taking pax. I called around to the flight schools and the only complex/HP planes they have available for rent are twins. That would just add an extra level of complexity that we don't need.
 
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denverpilot said:
You're going to need a minimum number of hours in type for the insurance. Might as well make sure you have it via rentals before the purchase.
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Renting a Bonanza just to build hours when you can get those hours more cheaply in your own plane later doesn't make a lot of financial sense to me.
 
JOhnH said:
We sold our 172 and are in the process of buying a high performance, complex plane. My wife has no time in such a plane, but is due for her BFR . Would it make sense, to rent an HP/Complex plane and have a CFI do the BFR while also giving instruction in the plane for her endorsement? Or should she get her BFR in a plane she is familiar with? Or should she wait until we buy the plane and she gets sufficient dual training and then get her BFR?
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Sure, plenty of people do a complex, high performance, Tailwheel, multi, etc, when BFR time comes around.
 
James331 said:
Sure, plenty of people do a complex, high performance, Tailwheel, multi, etc, when BFR time comes around.
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...but if they want a legal flight review, they get more than a 61.31 additional training endorsement in their log, and they get trained on things beyond the scope of what is required by regulation for 61.31 additional training endorsement. It should be completely understood that a 61.31 additional training endorsement does not by itself constitute a 61.56(a) flight review, and is not one of the event (like a satisfactory practical test for a pilot/flight instructor certificate or rating) listed in 61.56 as waiving the need for a 61.56(a) flight review within the preceding 24 calendar months.
 
Ain't complicated to combine a BFR with HP for any CFI worth his salt.
 
N3368K said:
I had to check my CFI out in my Swift so he could give me my Flight Review. :yes:


Jim R
Collierville, TN

N7155H--1946 Piper J-3 Cub
N3368K--1946 Globe GC-1B Swift
N4WJ--1994 Van's RV-4
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A friend needed to do that for me before I would do his FR in an RV-6A.
 
Ron Levy said:
Renting a Bonanza just to build hours when you can get those hours more cheaply in your own plane later doesn't make a lot of financial sense to me.
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Yeah I missed that it was a Bo. Just buy it and plan on living in it with a CFI until proficient. Minimums for insurance will blow by and not even be noticed.
 
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