Bacon Bad?

You're American, so you're okay. According to the article, only Dr. Dave has to worry (sorry, Dave!):

The findings, published on Sunday in an advance online edition of the journal Nature Neuroscience, could have profound implications for the millions of Canadians struggling to control their eating.
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Have you seen where the Health Care Bill requires food chains of 20 stores or more to show the calories of their food products?
 
Geico266 said:
Have you seen where the Health Care Bill requires food chains of 20 stores or more to show the calories of their food products?
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In California they require chain restaurants (uncertain of the size) to have available with the menu the calories of their food products. On a recent business trip, my coworker and I would look over these and marvel at some of the numbers. There was one desert that had over 2700 calories in it - just the desert! Although the desert itself was more than a meal.

Sounds similar. While I can see the value in it, it shouldn't be that hard fpr people to figure out on their own what to and not to eat. House salad vs. hamburger with ham, bacon, extra grease, fried onions, etc. on it. Which one is going to be healthy and which one will give you a heart attack?
 
It kills me to see fat kids standing in the checkout line of the Gas N Shop buying crap for lunch, and their fat parents right behind them, and there is a Subway counter in the same building, 20 feet away.

Maybe the new healthcare bill will do away with junk food for kids under 21?
 
Geico266 said:
Maybe the new healthcare bill will do away with junk food for kids under 21?
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We can't do that, because that takes away their freedoms.

Oh, but if you don't have health insurance you'll get fined. Because that's for your own good.

Wait, what? :mad2:
 
Unfortunately, there is always a balance between what society is willing to put up with and pay for and what it's citizens are allowed to do. That's where things like helmet and seat belt laws come from, and we can argue intelligently about them all day. Helmet laws are a good example; I should have the freedom to dress as I please when riding, but if I crash and turn myself into a vegetable because I don't have a helmet, you guys wind up paying for me at some level. Lifestyle choices that engender huge medical costs could wind up in the same barrel, though I hope not. I personally wouldn't mind seeing tobacco usage in that barrel, though.
 
Nothing personal, Michael, but if you crash not wearing a helmet and turn into a vegetable, the solution should be to pull the plug on you rather than have me pay for your healthcare.

I'd view it the same way were it me. I also know you wear a helmet, as do I. Telling people they can't do something because of the safety net is dumb - they should be able to opt out of having the safety net should they so choose.
 
Ted DuPuis said:
Nothing personal, Michael, but if you crash not wearing a helmet and turn into a vegetable, the solution should be to pull the plug on you rather than have me pay for your healthcare.

I'd view it the same way were it me. I also know you wear a helmet, as do I. Telling people they can't do something because of the safety net is dumb - they should be able to opt out of having the safety net should they so choose.
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Nothing personal taken, and I agree with you. However, society disagrees with both of us, and will expend vast of resources to try and save our lives from our own stupid behavior. Hence society has the right to regulate our behavior to some degree. I don't like it (the only time I didn't wear a helmet was when the helmet law got passed in Cali and not put into effect for 6 mos) but I understand it.
 
Geico266 said:
Have you seen where the Health Care Bill requires food chains of 20 stores or more to show the calories of their food products?
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:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Right -- because the people who are morbidly obese will suddenly toss up thier hands and say, "Oh! What a fool I've been!" and join the marathoner/ triathlete crowd once they see what a Bloomin Onion caloric count is....

:rofl:
 
Ted DuPuis said:
Nothing personal, Michael, but if you crash not wearing a helmet and turn into a vegetable, the solution should be to pull the plug on you rather than have me pay for your healthcare.

I'd view it the same way were it me. I also know you wear a helmet, as do I. Telling people they can't do something because of the safety net is dumb - they should be able to opt out of having the safety net should they so choose.
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I'm in favor of seat belt laws, because having a seat belt on may help you retain control of your car, thus protecting OTHERS.

I'm against helmet laws for adults, because a free citizen should have the right to stupidly kill himself if he so wishes.

For kids, I'm in favor of helmet laws. They aren't adults yet and their parents shouldn't be allowed to kill them.
 
Don't care about seat belt laws. If you don't want to wear it, it's your choice.

Free society to mean means that if you want to do something stupid, it's your perogative.
 
dmccormack said:
On bicycles?

I think it's absurd to see little kids rolling along at speeds slower than a walk with big dome helmets on.

Seriously?

:skeptical:
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It takes one little pebble the wrong way to go head first into a curb no matter the speed.

I wouldn't mind the seatbelt law, but in Texas there is no helmet law for motorcycles. If the state is truely concerned with our safety and not just looking for revenue, why don't they have a helmet law? Your chances of dying are a lot better if not wearing a helmet on a moto than not wearing a seatbelt in your car.
 
The state is not concerned with your safety (which is as it should be - that's your job, not theirs). They are concerned with revenue, how else do they buy the donuts?
 
bigred177 said:
It takes one little pebble the wrong way to go head first into a curb no matter the speed.

I wouldn't mind the seatbelt law, but in Texas there is no helmet law for motorcycles. If the state is truely concerned with our safety and not just looking for revenue, why don't they have a helmet law? Your chances of dying are a lot better if not wearing a helmet on a moto than not wearing a seatbelt in your car.
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Oh please.

I've logged at least 100,000 miles on bicycles -- tandems, raod racing, and mountain.

I've worn a helmet most times, and crashed in a few races.

But those miles were at >20MPH.

The typical 4 year old on a big wheel is doing-- what? -- 3 MPH?

We raised 3 kids to adulthood -- they all rode bikes.

The only time they were required to wear helmets was on the roads when they were big and strong enough to exceed 5 MPH.

No wonder kids don't ride bikes anymore -- helicopter parents truss them up in 25 lbs of "safety" gear before they can ride the Big Wheel around the driveway.

:rofl:
 
dmccormack said:
On bicycles?

I think it's absurd to see little kids rolling along at speeds slower than a walk with big dome helmets on.

Seriously?

:skeptical:
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Yep, even on bikes. Where my daughter rides there are lots of things to crack her head open if she falls off the bike. Not on big wheels though. Only when they get enough speed or distance from the ground.

Kids need to be protected from their ignorance... God knows they'll find enough ways to be stupid when we're not watching.
 
TMetzinger said:
Yep, even on bikes. Where my daughter rides there are lots of things to crack her head open if she falls off the bike.

Kids need to be protected from their ignorance... God knows they'll find enough ways to be stupid when we're not watching.
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I think we've all been duped by the "safety" marketing folks.

You want to protect your children, don't you??

One of the early lessons we both had as parents was watching our kids climb the tree in the back yard. We wanted to say, "Get down from there!"

But we let them climb.
 
Actually, I know at least one person who would have died in their bicycle crash had it not been for the helmet. I and a couple of my friends needed stitches in our scalps after bicycle accidents, bled like stuck pigs. Bicycle helmets for kids is a very good idea.
 
Ted DuPuis said:
The state is not concerned with your safety (which is as it should be - that's your job, not theirs). They are concerned with revenue, how else do they buy the donuts?
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Well, that's why they claim they made the seatbelt law. For "our" safety.
 
TMetzinger said:
Yep, even on bikes. Where my daughter rides there are lots of things to crack her head open if she falls off the bike. Not on big wheels though. Only when they get enough speed or distance from the ground.

Kids need to be protected from their ignorance... God knows they'll find enough ways to be stupid when we're not watching.
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Think of it this way.

A drop from 4', on impact, a head would be traveling at over 16 feet per second, and that's just vertically. If there's a horizontal component, that just adds to the velocity. At 5', that velocity jumps to almost 18 fps.
 
JeffDG said:
Think of it this way.

A drop from 4', on impact, a head would be traveling at over 16 feet per second, and that's just vertically. If there's a horizontal component, that just adds to the velocity. At 5', that velocity jumps to almost 18 fps.
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So should they be wearing helmets while walking or running?
 
steingar said:
Actually, I know at least one person who would have died in their bicycle crash had it not been for the helmet. I and a couple of my friends needed stitches in our scalps after bicycle accidents, bled like stuck pigs. Bicycle helmets for kids is a very good idea.
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You now know another -- my head hit hard enough to split the helmet I was wearing in two.

Of course, I was in a race and doing about 30 MPH when the guy next to me slammed into my front wheel.

Not the same situation for a 4 year old on a tricycle.
 
dmccormack said:
You now know another -- my head hit hard enough to split the helmet I was wearing in two.

Of course, I was in a race and doing about 30 MPH when the guy next to me slammed into my front wheel.

Not the same situation for a 4 year old on a tricycle.
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A tricycle and a bicycle are just a hair different.
 
Children are always in danger of busting their domes.

Gotta put helmets on them 24/7. I can't believe most of us lived through our childhood without 'em.

:rolleyes:
 
If we as a society can mandate that people carry health insurance, and if we ever move to a government single-payer plan, we can certainly regulate what people eat & how they behave. Higher risk activities (those that carry higher chance of injury) will increase the demand on the health care system, thereby raising costs. The only way to keep costs low is to reduce the risk that folks will injure themselves.

We can impose restrictions on business behavior (compensation, etc) that is better regulated by shareholders, we can impose restrictions on personal behavior.

BTW, I like my bacon cooked, but not crispy.
 
SkyHog said:
Children are always in danger of busting their domes.

Gotta put helmets on them 24/7. I can't believe most of us lived through our childhood without 'em.

:rolleyes:
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Exactly.

I'm a parent and now grandparent -- nothing is more painful than one of your children or grandchildren hurting from some injury.

But -- sometimes the little injuries help prevent far worse injuries later.
 
TMetzinger said:
I'm in favor of seat belt laws, because having a seat belt on may help you retain control of your car, thus protecting OTHERS.
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What is your basis for saying that a seat belt may help you control
the car?

If the car is bouncing that badly, what makes you think your feet
would still be on the pedals? and what makes you think steering
and brake/gas inputs would have much impact (no pun)?

Even if it could ever help, what would be the probability of encountering
such an event?
 
Bob Noel said:
What is your basis for saying that a seat belt may help you control
the car?

If the car is bouncing that badly, what makes you think your feet
would still be on the pedals? and what makes you think steering
and brake/gas inputs would have much impact (no pun)?

Even if it could ever help, what would be the probability of encountering
such an event?
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Seat belts as they're installed in cars don't make much of a difference. However if you drive with a proper 4 or 5-point racing harness, the difference becomes clear. When you're pushing the car towards the edges, you end up using some force to brace yourself. A 4 or 5-point harness ends up doing most of the bracing for you.
 
Bob Noel said:
What is your basis for saying that a seat belt may help you control
the car?
If the car is bouncing that badly, what makes you think your feet
would still be on the pedals? and what makes you think steering
and brake/gas inputs would have much impact (no pun)?

Even if it could ever help, what would be the probability of encountering
such an event?
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Why was their a special notice (can't remember the name already) that certain 172 seats had a tendency to go backwards unexpectedly? Wouldn't you want to stay in one spot in order to control the airplane? Can't reach pedals if your seat goes back quickly - and what do you think will happen to that yoke when you SURPRISE slide backwards pretty damnfast?
 
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