Aviation Safety Counselor

[tonycondon]

All,
Does anyone know the requirements/process involved with becoming and Aviation Safety Counselor. Im interested in doing it. Plan to contact FSDO tommorow.
Thanks

 

[cherokeeflyboy]

Tony,
I cannot find the reference i read, but they are doingaway with Aviation Safety Counselor... I believe..

 

[tonycondon]

really? thats interesting. it seems to me with FSDO cutbacks that they would be begging for more ASC's to help handle the little things. who knows?

 

[poadeleted20]

but they are doingaway with Aviation Safety Counselor... I believe..

They are eliminating the Aviation Safety Program Manager position at the FSDO's and changing the structure of the program:

"The Aviation Safety Program will soon undergo a change to the Federal Aviation Administration Safety Team (FAASTeam). In addition to the name change, the program will be restructured to allow agency resources to be more carefully focused on accident causes. A system safety approach will be used to accurately identify hazards and develop strategies to mitigate them. This work will be carried out by our FAASTeam managers in the field in coordination with industry partners."

However, the volunteer ASC's will still be part of the team.

the requirements/process involved with becoming and Aviation Safety Counselor

To become an ASC, you must be an ATP or CFI (operations) or A&P/IA (maintenance). You apply to the local FSDO and, if accepted, go through a short training course on ASC duties and responsibilities. Acceptance is based primarily on experience and demonstrated safety attitude.

 

[jrdodge]

Why don't you call Roger? He will have all of the answers for you. Be sure to tell him I said "hi"

 

[tonycondon]

of course! what do you think i am doing?
jeez.

 

[Ed Guthrie]

To become an ASC, you must be an ATP or CFI (operations) or A&P/IA (maintenance).

Ron, didn't Marty M. bounce you in a previous thread (previous, red webboard) for this exact same erroroneous information?

FWIW, straight from the FAA (emphasis added to fully refute/correct the above):

Source: FAA-H-8083-9 - Aviation Instructor's Handbook

AVIATION SAFETY COUNSELORS

Aviation Safety Counselors are well known and highly respected members of the aviation community who are selected by the Safety Program Manager with the concurrence of the manager of the FSDO. They generally are pilots, flight instructors, or aviation maintenance technicians; however, this is not a prerequisite for selection.


Source: FAA Order 8740.10D - Aviation Safety Program Manger's Handbook

4. SELECTION. Aviation Safety Counselors are selected by the SPM with the concurrence of the Flight Standards District Office (FSDO) manager. They serve on a volunteer basis.No application is required. However, prospective counselors should be carefully screened.The SPM should request a brief personal resume or obtain sufficient information about a prospective counselor to make an informed decision regarding the candidate's suitability. Selection should be based on the candidate's ability to accomplish program tasks, his/her interest in aviation safety, and respect the candidate has earned from the community. The candidate's aviation activities, willingness to help others, and the amount of time he/she can devote to the program should also be considered.

 

[poadeleted20]

FWIW, straight from the FAA (emphasis added to fully refute/correct the above):

Source: FAA-H-8083-9 - Aviation Instructor's Handbook

AVIATION SAFETY COUNSELORS

Aviation Safety Counselors are well known and highly respected members of the aviation community who are selected by the Safety Program Manager with the concurrence of the manager of the FSDO. They generally are pilots, flight instructors, or aviation maintenance technicians; however, this is not a prerequisite for selection.

That's from the Aviation Instructor's Handbook, not the ASC program materials. The ASC manual (FAA-M-8740.3, which has disappeared from the FAA web site in their latest shuffling) and application form (and there is a form to fill out - volunteering, agreeing to certain terms, and listing what duties you are willing to perform) say ATP/CFI or A&P/IA to be an ASC. Aviation Safety Volunteers, however, need not be pilots or technicians, which may be where the confusion lies. ASV's assist in running safety meetings and help keep safety material available to pilots -- setting up AV equipment, distributing pamphlets, safety video librarians, stocking the safety information racks, hanging posters, etc.

 

[Skip Miller]

This work will be carried out by our FAASTeam managers

Cool! Soon you will be able to use

"FAAST"

in your signature line.


-Skip

 

[Ken Ibold]

That's from the Aviation Instructor's Handbook, not the ASC program materials. The ASC manual (FAA-M-8740.3, which has disappeared from the FAA web site in their latest shuffling) and application form (and there is a form to fill out - volunteering, agreeing to certain terms, and listing what duties you are willing to perform) say ATP/CFI or A&P/IA to be an ASC. Aviation Safety Volunteers, however, need not be pilots or technicians, which may be where the confusion lies. ASV's assist in running safety meetings and help keep safety material available to pilots -- setting up AV equipment, distributing pamphlets, safety video librarians, stocking the safety information racks, hanging posters, etc.

There must be some gray area there. I was actively recruited to be an ASC by the Orlando FSDO and I am not a CFI or ATP.

 

[poadeleted20]

There must be some gray area there. I was actively recruited to be an ASC by the Orlando FSDO and I am not a CFI or ATP.

Maybe it's an Eastern Region or Baltimore District thing. I can certainly understand highly experienced non-ATP/CFI pilots, especially those who work in the safety field being effective. But it would be hard to imagine anyone without either a pilot or mechanic certificate having any credibility as an ASC in either the shop or the flight line.

 

[Ed Guthrie]

That's from the Aviation Instructor's Handbook, not the ASC program materials.

My previous information included the program manger's manual, which, strangely enough, didn't include the requirements you mentioned. In terms of debunking your claim, if you don't wish to consider the FAA publications credible, consider this tidbit from the FAA website:

http://www.faa.gov/safety/awards/general_av/

General Aviation Industry Awards Program
...
Eligibility

To be eligible for the award, you must be:

• Aviation Safety Counselor nominees do not have to be FAA Certificated pilots or AMT’s

So the FAA will issue a General Aviation Industry Award to an ASC who isn't a pilot, CFI (can't be the later without the former) or an AMT. Yet you state an ASC must be an ATP pilot, CFI, or AMT. Could be interesting to hear the FAA explain your theory...

When you find the FAA form I suggest you post the link, but right now the FAA evidence is stacked rather heavily against you.

 

[poadeleted20]

My previous information included the program manger's manual, which, strangely enough, didn't include the requirements you mentioned. In terms of debunking your claim, if you don't wish to consider the FAA publications credible, consider this tidbit from the FAA website:

http://www.faa.gov/safety/awards/general_av/

General Aviation Industry Awards Program
...
Eligibility

To be eligible for the award, you must be:

• Aviation Safety Counselor nominees do not have to be FAA Certificated pilots or AMT’s

So the FAA will issue a General Aviation Industry Award to an ASC who isn't a pilot, CFI (can't be the later without the former) or an AMT. Yet you state an ASC must be an ATP pilot, CFI, or AMT. Could be interesting to hear the FAA explain your theory...

When you find the FAA form I suggest you post the link, but right now the FAA evidence is stacked rather heavily against you.

Well, they require it around here. Perhaps Baltimore and/or Eastern have additional requirements. But if it's winning that's important, congratulations -- YOU WIN!

 

[spiderweb]

Oh jeesh. . . .