Airventure Poll --- What are the odds?

Will Airventure 2020 be

  • Cancelled for 2020

    Votes: 64 58.2%

  • Postponed to some other date in 2020

    Votes: 5 4.5%

  • It's gonna happen as scheduled

    Votes: 40 36.4%

  • Other?

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • Total voters
    110
Market an Oshkosh 2020 shirt with a picture of a tent in the yard with a house behind it. Optional: The text “fly in” crossed out and “shelter in” under it.

I’ll be waiting for my royalty checks...


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We've had SloshKosh - so what would this year's alternate slogan be?

NoKosh?
2MeterKosh?
 
According to Dan Gryder's most recent post. Airventure is cancelled.
I don't know who his inside sources are but he seems confident.
 
SixPapaCharlie said:
According to Dan Gryder's most recent post. Airventure is cancelled.
I don't know who his inside sources are but he seems confident.
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With everybody and most everything getting locked down it's probably impossible to do the normal preparations to get ready for it now. And it looks like the region from Chicago north along the west shore of Lake Michigan is turning into a virus hot spot.
 
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GRG55 said:
With everybody and most everything getting locked down it's probably impossible to do the normal preparations to get ready for it now. And it looks like the region from Chicago north along the west shore of Lake Michigan is turning into a virus hot spot.
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Oh?

Is it really a "virus hot spot" or is it just that Chicago and Milwaukee are there, so there's a high concentration of people to start with?

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flyingcheesehead said:
Oh?

Is it really a "virus hot spot" or is it just that Chicago and Milwaukee are there, so there's a high concentration of people to start with?

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Exactly. Why is that a surprise?
The virus started in one of the most densely populated areas of the world.
Most of the propagation has been though dense urban centers (imagine that :rolleyes:).
Most of the high imperative response regions in any nation on the planet start in the dense population areas.

If you already have it, it's either highly disruptive to "ordinary life", or soon will be.
If you don't have it yet...it's coming.

Either way I no longer see how an organization such as EAA can do any of the normal advance planning and preparation to execute an event like Oshkosh.
 
I don’t think anyone really knows the effect of sunshine and warm weather on this thing. Could easily stop it in it’s tracks for awhile. Two off its best infections systems won’t work. Then again, so far this thing seems like evil magic. It could survive warm weather and keep going. Only time will tell.
 
GRG55 said:
Exactly. Why is that a surprise?
The virus started in one of the most densely populated areas of the world.
Most of the propagation has been though dense urban centers (imagine that :rolleyes:).
Most of the high imperative response regions in any nation on the planet start in the dense population areas.
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I don't see how that really affects Oshkosh directly, other than the number of people who get there through ORD/MKE.

Either way I no longer see how an organization such as EAA can do any of the normal advance planning and preparation to execute an event like Oshkosh.
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EAA plans for Oshkosh throughout the year, and they likely haven't stopped. In fact, I'm sure they've kicked into high gear to have contingency plans for "normal show" and "show with much less attendance of customers, and vendors, and acts" and "no show".
 
flyingcheesehead said:
I don't see how that really affects Oshkosh directly, other than the number of people who get there through ORD/MKE.



EAA plans for Oshkosh throughout the year, and they likely haven't stopped. In fact, I'm sure they've kicked into high gear to have contingency plans for "normal show" and "show with much less attendance of customers, and vendors, and acts" and "no show".
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Y'all ever been in the commercial exhibit buildings on Tuesday-Thursday from about 10 until 3.?

Or the NASA booth? Or the other cutting technology exhibits?

Or, God forbid, the crowd in my forum tent for an hour or so? I'm cancelling my forum for the humanitarian reason that if I am responsible for just ONE infection or (dear Lord forbid) ONE death, then I have that on my conscience for the rest of my life. (And according to my religion quite a time thereafter, whatever time means in the hereafter in Purgatory).

But to exit on a lighter note, the parish priest was examining the catachumens on the liturgy and asked this one young girl what Matrimony was. She said that matrimony was where souls were sent for a period of time to suffer pain and agony for a period of time before they were sent to their final reward.

No, no, said the priest, that is PURGATORY. "Wait, a minute" said the bishop, "I think the kid is onto something."

Jim
 
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weirdjim said:
Y'all ever been in the commercial exhibit buildings on Tuesday-Thursday from about 10 until 3.?

Or the NASA booth? Or the other cutting technology exhibits?

Or, God forbid, the crowd in my forum tent for an hour or so? I'm cancelling my forum for the humanitarian reason that if I am responsible for just ONE infection or (dear Lord forbid) ONE death, then I have that on my conscience for the rest of my life. (And according to my religion quite a time thereafter, whatever time means in the hereafter in Purgatory).

But to exit on a lighter note, the parish priest was examining the catachumens on the liturgy and asked this one young girl what Matrimony was. She said that matrimony was where souls were sent for a period of time to suffer pain and agony for a period of time before they were sent to their final reward.

No, no, said the priest, that is PURGATORY. "Wait, a minute" said the bishop, "I think the kid is onto something."

Jim
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So if someone dies in a plane crash leaving KOSH after watching your forum you will live a life of grief???
 
Grum.Man said:
So if someone dies in a plane crash leaving KOSH after watching your forum you will live a life of grief???
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If, in my forum I advocated for loading their Cessna 150 with the 250 pound pilot, plus Griselda the 200 pound Roller Derby partner, plus the cats in their concrete cages into the aft baggage compartment and said this is the best way to practice power on stalls from low altitude, yes, I would truly live a life of grief and atonement. Apparently you don't have that sort of ethics or conscience.

If I invite a couple of hundred people from all parts of the country (indeed, from all parts of the world) into an enclosed environment separated by shoulder-to-shoulder spacing and blabber on for an hour and a half, and if one of them comes in with an infection and three of them leave, yes, I would take responsibility and feel grief for those people. Especially if it turned out badly in the ultimate.

It is a simple matter of ethics.

Jim
 
:rolleyes: Apples to oranges but what ever man. Those 150 people would have a better chance dying in a plane or car crash coming to see your presentation than dying from Covid-19.
 
Just saw this announcement: Organizers of the Farnborough International Air Show have announced "with great regret" that the annual event has been cancelled for 2020 due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

Looking more like KOSH may be next in line to cancel.

Anyone want to change your vote?
 
Larry Korona said:
Just saw this announcement: Organizers of the Farnborough International Air Show have announced "with great regret" that the annual event has been cancelled for 2020 due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

Looking more like KOSH may be next in line to cancel.

Anyone want to change your vote?
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And Farnborough was scheduled for the week before Oshkosh.
 
Mathematically the peaks for less populated states are looking like May. That’s peak and doesn’t account for re-peaking after lifting restrictions. Even without a re-peak the tail goes through June. At least. Unless UV really whacks the thing.

People seem to be forgetting that “flattening the curve” also means “making the curve a lot longer in time”.

Flattening saves the medical resources. Longer messes with our sanity and overloads the psychiatrists at best. LOL.
 
flyingcheesehead said:
Yeah... I'm expecting a cancellation pretty soon. EAA just started having a big sale on their Airventure 2020 merchandise. :(
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Doesn't mean a thing; they do it every year. They've been selling advance tickets, t-shirts, and mugs since maybe January.
 
I vote it goes on, Oshkosh. You’re starting to hear more musings of the ‘shutdown mentality’. There was a good article in the WSJ and Bloomberg News yesterday about these Covid numbers.
 
Let’s suppose they cancel OSH. If things are clear then, would one be allowed to camp next to their plane on the field? Could be a very fun toned down version of the show.
 
Sam D said:
Let’s suppose they cancel OSH. If things are clear then, would one be allowed to camp next to their plane on the field? Could be a very fun toned down version of the show.
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I was thinking the same earlier tonight. Forget vendors and exhibitors - Just get ATC and the volunteers, and let's just go and have fun with our friends. That's what OSH is for anyway! And maybe you can still have the airshow performers too. "OSH Lite".

Unfortunately, even though the stay-at-home orders will be done and we should be able to go, it could still potentially lead to a big spread of the disease as I doubt we're going to have "herd immunity" at that point. If this flattening-the-curve thing works, that's about when we'll be at the peak of the curve. :(
 
Sam D said:
Let’s suppose they cancel OSH. If things are clear then, would one be allowed to camp next to their plane on the field? Could be a very fun toned down version of the show.
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The airport is owned by the county. The question becomes at what physical location away from the runway area will the county allow camping? Or will EAA allow you to camp on its grounds? Are you allowed to park the airplane and camp with it?
KOSH FBO is owned/run by Basler.
What area is owned by EAA other than the museum and attached grounds?

http://wittmanairport.com/airport-docs/
 
Are you referring tee shirts $12.99 with free shipping?
If so (after some searching) I received the same offer March 7, 2019.

It's their low quality products.
I don't think the offer is related to any CV consideration
 
May 1 is going to be too soon to know if July is safe. Still a lot of unknowns - lots of data coming in the weeks ahead, but consensus will take longer.
 
masloki said:
May 1 is going to be too soon to know if July is safe. Still a lot of unknowns - lots of data coming in the weeks ahead, but consensus will take longer.
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My guess is that if things aren't drastically trending toward the positive by May 1 then they will call it off. Unfortunately, I don't think we're close to the bottom of the negative trend yet.

Based on how things are going today (April 3) I'm pretty sure I'm going to have to tell my boys that their first ever Oshkosh trip will have to wait until 2021.
 
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