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Aztec Driver

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So let's say you have an airplane based at Martha's Vineyard, and you are a VFR only pilot. Our illustrious leader has come to your island and pretty much grounded any transient flying, with the exception of going to a gateway airport for screening.

So what happens if you are unable to move your airplane ahead of the hurricane because of this nonsense, and it gets damaged?

I assume the answer is, "get it out now and go through the hoops."
 
Aztec Driver said:
So let's say you have an airplane based at Martha's Vineyard, and you are a VFR only pilot. Our illustrious leader has come to your island and pretty much grounded any transient flying, with the exception of going to a gateway airport for screening.

So what happens if you are unable to move your airplane ahead of the hurricane because of this nonsense, and it gets damaged?

I assume the answer is, "get it out now and go through the hoops."
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Who wants to bet that your impediment will be gone soon? :D
 
But there will be another high-functioning bureaucrat with Asperger's to take his place. ;)
 
Aztec Driver said:
So let's say you have an airplane based at Martha's Vineyard, and you are a VFR only pilot. Our illustrious leader has come to your island and pretty much grounded any transient flying, with the exception of going to a gateway airport for screening.

So what happens if you are unable to move your airplane ahead of the hurricane because of this nonsense, and it gets damaged?

I assume the answer is, "get it out now and go through the hoops."
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The answer is "Buy a cocktail because you just sold your plane to the insurance man..."
 
The real answer is the FAA has published procedures to get them out of MVY. It starts off by calling either Cape or Providence on a landline, getting a squawk code, and filing your course.
From the FAA:
With hurricane Irene's imminent approach and landfall to the United States, aircraft owners may need to reposition aircraft that are currently restricted by the security TFR presently in place around Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts. To allow for the safe and expeditious movement of aircraft, pilots affected by these restrictions must adhere to the following procedures to depart the TFR:​
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Prior to departure all aircraft within the TFR must call either Cape TRACON at 508-968-7126 OR Providence TRACON at 401-738-8945 ​
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The TRACON will provide:​
Freq for departure (if equipped)​
Beacon Code (if equipped)​
Route of flight to include initial heading (away from center of TFR)​
A Clearance Void Time for no transponder aircraft.​
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Any deviation from these procedures may cause an operator to be intercepted by DOD assets. If you are intercepted, pilots are reminded to follow the direction provided. All pilots are encouraged to monitor 121.5 if so equipped.​
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For the latest information, call your local Flight Service Station at 1-800-WX-BRIEF.​
 
Henning said:
The one I wanted to see a bill sent for was "Haircutgate" at LAX while the whole airport was shut down for Clinton's haircut.:nonod::nonod::nonod:
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Well it would be a fictional bill since it is for a fictional closure.

http://mediamatters.org/research/200702090015

According to Federal Aviation Administration records obtained through the Freedom of Information Act, the May 18 haircut caused no significant delays of regularly scheduled passenger flights - no circling planes, no traffic jams on the runways.

Commuter airlines that fly routes reportedly affected by the president's haircut confirmed they have no record of delays that day.
The FAA records, generated by the regional Air Route Traffic Control Center, show that an unscheduled air taxi flight had the only delay attributed to the closure of two runways for an hour in anticipation of Air Force One's departure. The air taxi took off 17 minutes after leaving the gate -- two minutes late, by FAA accounting.


"If you understand the air traffic system, you'd find that statement [that planes were circling] ludicrous," said Fred O'Donnell, an FAA spokesman at the agency's Western-Pacific regional office, which responded to New York Newsday's May 21 request under the freedom of information law.
O'Donnell said that although two runways were closed, traffic was light that afternoon and arriving flights were simply diverted to the two other runways. "It did not cause any problems," he said.
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dmccormack said:
Leave it to Scott to come galloping in to clear the record of a has-been Dem...

:D
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Leave it to Dan to come galloping in to express a useless response that is not germane to anything under discussion. ;)

Aren't you still busy looking for your next group of aviators to make fun of? We really need more members on PoA! :D
 
silver-eagle said:
The real answer is the FAA has published procedures to get them out of MVY. It starts off by calling either Cape or Providence on a landline, getting a squawk code, and filing your course.
From the FAA:
With hurricane Irene's imminent approach and landfall to the United States, aircraft owners may need to reposition aircraft that are currently restricted by the security TFR presently in place around Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts. To allow for the safe and expeditious movement of aircraft, pilots affected by these restrictions must adhere to the following procedures to depart the TFR:​

​


Prior to departure all aircraft within the TFR must call either Cape TRACON at 508-968-7126 OR Providence TRACON at 401-738-8945 ​


​


The TRACON will provide:​


Freq for departure (if equipped)​


Beacon Code (if equipped)​


Route of flight to include initial heading (away from center of TFR)​


A Clearance Void Time for no transponder aircraft.​


​


Any deviation from these procedures may cause an operator to be intercepted by DOD assets. If you are intercepted, pilots are reminded to follow the direction provided. All pilots are encouraged to monitor 121.5 if so equipped.​


​


For the latest information, call your local Flight Service Station at 1-800-WX-BRIEF.​
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I'm shocked! A reasonable response to the issue. I wonder who was on vacation at the USSS / FoD that permitted the FAA to do this.
 
TMetzinger said:
I'm shocked! A reasonable response to the issue. I wonder who was on vacation at the USSS / FoD that permitted the FAA to do this.
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Some political spin-meister probably realized that there's an election next year and a bunch of the folks that might be affected would hold it against the President in 2012.
 
TMetzinger said:
I'm shocked! A reasonable response to the issue. I wonder who was on vacation at the USSS / FoD that permitted the FAA to do this.
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I flew from St Louis to Evansville IN to look at a plane there, called and got a briefing and everything. When I get there they tell me Quail landed and the airport was closed. I called back "No sir, I have business on this field and I called for a briefing 40 minutes ago and was not informed of this. If you didn't want me in here, I should have been informed then." Hell, Quail wasn't even on the property but AFII (707) was there as well as a C-141 both had all the engines running!!! OMG the waste. It was a non event. A SS agent walked up, looked in the plane as me and 2 friends climbed out and he walked away. As I was looking over the 56 Baron I came to look at (someone abandoned it late one night, it was a wrung out coke hauler) Quail shows back up with the entire motorcade, they load up in the 141 and 707 and get out. Just so quail could have lunch with his dad. Un freakin believable... Couldn't he have just taken the G-V and dad or someone picked him up at the airport in a car or Suburban that was local? Is that kind of security really warranted? Is the effect worth the cost? That was a multi million dollar lunch for the taxpayer. This is the kind of excess that we just can't tolerate any more. We need to demand greater fiscal efficiency. F- responsibility, I don't want to play a blame game, I want the money to get the best value.
 
wsuffa said:
Some political spin-meister probably realized that there's an election next year and a bunch of the folks that might be affected would hold it against the President in 2012.
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Why do you think this goes any further up the ladder than the FAA having considered options when all the rules were initially designed. They knew there would have to be emergency protocols developed. You think they are idiots at the FAA and didn't see the need for this on their own without some political hack telling them their business?
 
Henning said:
Why do you think this goes any further up the ladder than the FAA having considered options when all the rules were initially designed. They knew there would have to be emergency protocols developed. You think they are idiots at the FAA and didn't see the need for this on their own without some political hack telling them their business?
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FAA doesn't make the call on security matters. Period.
 
wsuffa said:
FAA doesn't make the call on security matters. Period.
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You don't think they were involved with the development of these protocols back when the whole TFR thing started? What I'm saying is that this wasn't some "just now" developed protocol and that it's likely been around for a long time. I realize they are not the ones to make the call to enact it nor did I mean to infer that.
 
wsuffa said:
Some political spin-meister probably realized that there's an election next year and a bunch of the folks that might be affected would hold it against the President in 2012.
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The hack is ON the island hoping to get out ahead of the storm like the rest of them. Besides, along with losing a lot of votes, there would be a lot of political money lost too if they kept the aircraft on the ground.
Last I heard, Obama wasn't planning to leave until tomorrow. Doesn't that give Irene a chance to envelope DC?
 
silver-eagle said:
The hack is ON the island hoping to get out ahead of the storm like the rest of them. Besides, along with losing a lot of votes, there would be a lot of political money lost too if they kept the aircraft on the ground.
Last I heard, Obama wasn't planning to leave until tomorrow. Doesn't that give Irene a chance to envelope DC?
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Obama's leaving tonite.
 
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