Air rage...again.

Agree with the article, but lower fairs also cause these issues.

It's like most violence you see, it's most always in bigger cities where people are jam packed and normally occurs with chronically poor folks.

Jam pack people into a plane, make the fairs so cheap even people in the ghetto can afford them, well there you go.

Look at the demographics of pax and "luxury" of the experience back on the pan am day, heck even look back to who and how people flew in the 90s.

But as long as folks just want cheap, they'll get it, cheap air fair, cheap seats and cheap pax, I've just paid the few more bucks and flew Virginia or Alaska.
 
Why don't the other passengers stomp a mud hole in those people, strap them to their seats and get on with the show. People are so stupid, they think the rules only apply to other people.
 
Gen X, over indulged by their Boomer parents, who taught them they were still special even if they have no manners or social skills.
 
Acrodustertoo said:
Why don't the other passengers stomp a mud hole in those people, strap them to their seats and get on with the show. People are so stupid, they think the rules only apply to other people.
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Because if I did I'd most likley end up somehow being labled as a "racist" and charged with a "hate crime", or sued, or bit, or ...

Unless the airline is going to pay my a hefty bounty for restraining the animals, unless they attack me, forget that noise.


GRG55 said:
Gen X, over indulged by their Boomer parents, who taught them they were still special even if they have no manners or social skills.
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Yea and no, I think it's more the ghetto folks having their fathers tossed in jail and replaced with the government, all for "saftey", "the war on drugs" , "zero tolerance" and whatnot, thus resulting in no REAL father figure.
 
mscard88 said:
Why the airlines don't go ahead with prosecution is beyond me. Image of the airline I suppose, but this crap is getting out of control.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...es-soar/ar-BBxHPFm?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp
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Airlines don't have much say in whether or not a prosecution proceeds, do they? Since it's a federal crime to interfere with a flight crew, I'd think that decision would be with a federal district attorney or something similar. Airlines might or might not think about putting pressure on the feds to start taking prosecution more seriously, but I think the final decision is not the airlines'.

I'd like to see some examples made, too.
 
James331 said:
Because if I did I'd most likley end up somehow being labled as a "racist" and charged with a "hate crime", or sued, or bit, or ...

Unless the airline is going to pay my a hefty bounty for restraining the animals, unless they attack me, forget that noise.




Yea and no, I think it's more the ghetto folks having their fathers tossed in jail and replaced with the government, all for "saftey", "the war on drugs" , "zero tolerance" and whatnot, thus resulting in no REAL father figure.
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Should get a new Rolex for saving the day and allowing the other hundred passengers a safe and on time flight.
 
James331 said:
Agree with the article, but lower fairs also cause these issues.

It's like most violence you see, it's most always in bigger cities where people are jam packed and normally occurs with chronically poor folks.

Jam pack people into a plane, make the fairs so cheap even people in the ghetto can afford them, well there you go.

Look at the demographics of pax and "luxury" of the experience back on the pan am day, heck even look back to who and how people flew in the 90s.

But as long as folks just want cheap, they'll get it, cheap air fair, cheap seats and cheap pax, I've just paid the few more bucks and flew Virginia or Alaska.
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Yep, in general.. But these two aren't gutter rats, at least by profession and social standing metrics. BTW, it's "fares".
 
paflyer said:
How is prosecution going to prevent things like this?
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I didn't say it would prevent it, but people need to beheld accountable for their action. A few weeks/months in a cell w/ bubba might just keep them from doing it again.
 
mscard88 said:
I didn't say it would prevent it, but people need to beheld accountable for their action. A few weeks/months in a cell w/ bubba might just keep them from doing it again.
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I thought it is already a federal rap to interfere with a flight crew.
 
Shawn said:
Cuz just like most of this generation there is lack of respect from no fear of consequences.

Just put them in a "Time Out"...that should solve it...
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Maybe just put them on the No-Fly list for life.

Then again, maybe that's not a punishment, it's a reward...
 
Everskyward said:
Not sure that it has anything to do with "this generation" or any one group of people. There is bad behavior from all demographics.
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Yup. I've kicked a few off in my day, from unruly kids to a grown drunk Doctor. The just misbehave differently but still do it.
 
paflyer said:
Maybe just put them on the No-Fly list for life.

Then again, maybe that's not a punishment, it's a reward...
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Some do on a particular airline, say Delta for instance. So they have to find another airline to misbehave on. Sorta like Lynyrd Skynrd back in the day. They were restricted from most hotels because of their behavior.
 
James331 said:
Because if I did I'd most likley end up somehow being labled as a "racist" and charged with a "hate crime", or sued, or bit, or ...

Unless the airline is going to pay my a hefty bounty for restraining the animals, unless they attack me, forget that noise.




Yea and no, I think it's more the ghetto folks having their fathers tossed in jail and replaced with the government, all for "saftey", "the war on drugs" , "zero tolerance" and whatnot, thus resulting in no REAL father figure.
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I'll label you a racist now for assuming they are "ghetto" or whatever...the two in this case are white.
 
tawood said:
I'll label you a racist now for assuming they are "ghetto" or whatever...the two in this case are white.
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So was the leader of the NAACP,
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And despite what the media and government would like you to believe "ghetto" is more to do with what's inside your head than on your skin, causing a issue on a plane, you're ghetto.
 
Shawn said:
Cuz just like most of this generation there is lack of respect from no fear of consequences.
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Yeah, like that silly retired white Senator kid ranting/raving on JetBlue til he got kicked off the other day. If only his generation had learned a little respect! So ghetto.
 
Although I agree that "ghetto" can mean any race...saying you'll be called a racist does not.
 
Cajun_Flyer said:
Yeah, like that silly retired white Senator kid ranting/raving on JetBlue til he got kicked off the other day. If only his generation had learned a little respect! So ghetto.
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Ghetto, no. Entitlement mindset, yes
 
Bill Jennings said:
Ghetto, no. Entitlement mindset, yes
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My point was that not every action type can be stereotyped by race, age or whatever other nonsense people want to throw at it. These "air rage" incidents are all over the spectrum in terms of who's doing them.
 
I would rather drive than take a ride in a sky spam can and I do. Colorado to Indiana? Sure, did that with a teardrop camper behind my Subaru. Good trip. My wife is headed to Indiana this month and she is taking Amtrak.

This is a great idea:
 
Remember the good old days of hazing folks by duct taping them to a chair?

Maybe flight crews need to start carrying some FiberFix.....I'd like to see some of these unruly yahoos get out of that crap.

Then folks can stop being such tape racists....
 
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Cajun_Flyer said:
My point was that not every action type can be stereotyped by race, age or whatever other nonsense people want to throw at it. These "air rage" incidents are all over the spectrum in terms of who's doing them.
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Yeah, you always hear of these Hollywood types who get enraged when they don't get preferential treatment, cause a commotion when they get drunk, or whatever. You can almost hear them, with great indignation, saying, "Do you know who I am?"

Um, a passenger who's interfering with a flight? No red carpets here. Don't mean to besmirch all celebs...I mean, they're criminals, they're rapists. But some are good people. :)
 
Cajun_Flyer said:
My point was that not every action type can be stereotyped by race, age or whatever other nonsense people want to throw at it. These "air rage" incidents are all over the spectrum in terms of who's doing them.
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Agreed, just as entitlement mindset can cross all spectrums.
 
Fearless Tower said:
Remember the good old days of hazing folks by duct them to a chair?

Maybe flight crews need to start carrying some FiberFix.....I'd like to see some of these unruly yahoos get out of that crap.

Then folks can stop being such tape racists....
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Sounds manly.
 
SoCal RV Flyer said:
No red carpets here.
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Bill Jennings said:
entitlement mindset can cross all spectrums.
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Commercial airplanes are a great location for case studies on Ego.

Fact is, once you board a plane, your demographic and class status gets left at the gate with everyone else's. You're just another sardine in the can. Sit down, shut up and drink your 1.7 oz bottle of vodka.
 
Frankly, I'm glad flight schedules are being disrupted. The dehumanization of the domestic coach cabin has to be reversed. As such, there has to be quantifiable collateral damage in order to impress upon customers and vendors alike that said dehumanization of the traveling public (via the removal of personal space and the expectation of caged behavior for hours on end) is not a sustainable business model, nor something we should even in principle aspire to as part of our societal "artifacts of living", which public transport is of course part and parcel of.

To attempt to de-couple the dynamics at play here by the use of socioeconomic baiting, in order to railroad the narrative away from what airlines are doing to the coach cabins of these narrow body torture chambers, is to miss the overarching point of this increasing symptom. You can agree or disagree with fee structures, bag fees, meals, and boarding preferences. But when you agree to give up, or are forced to give up personal space, you deserve to endure mob behavior and most certainly deserve to have your travel schedule affected. It isn't rocket surgery, it's basic sociology.
 
Cajun_Flyer said:
Commercial airplanes are a great location for case studies on Ego.

Fact is, once you board a plane, your demographic and class status gets left at the gate with everyone else's. You're just another sardine in the can. Sit down, shut up and drink your 1.7 oz bottle of vodka.
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...An increasingly unrealistic expectation on a slimline coach narrowbody cabin. This isn't about the customer's socioeconomic status, it's basic sociology. You may disagree that the expectation in bold is unrealistic, I'm just suggesting the air rage statistics support my position that they indeed are. Don't shoot the messenger, especially if you volunteer for said treatment.
 
Cajun_Flyer said:
Yeah, like that silly retired white Senator kid ranting/raving on JetBlue til he got kicked off the other day. If only his generation had learned a little respect! So ghetto.
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Al was "ranting" because the gutless crew weren't doing their jobs.
 
Cajun_Flyer said:
Fact is, once you board a plane, your demographic and class status gets left at the gate with everyone else's. You're just another sardine in the can. Sit down, shut up and drink your 1.7 oz bottle of vodka.
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Basically the same as military basic training. They shave your head, you all wear the same clothes, and all share the same experiences. Can't tell the rich kid from the poor. Except for the tall blond guy who showed up 1st day and wanted to know when he could go sailing(Navy OCS). He got extra attention, and the nickname "Hobie", which stuck with him far beyond basic.
 
You give up far more personal space on a subway or a city bus, albeit for less money and a shorter length of time. Yes, there are sometimes problems on these modes of transportation too, but in some ways, I think it boils down to expectations.
 
Bill Jennings said:
Basically the same as military basic training. They shave your head, you all wear the same clothes, and all share the same experiences. Can't tell the rich kid from the poor. Except for the tall blond guy who showed up 1st day and wanted to know when he could go sailing(Navy OCS). He got extra attention, and the nickname "Hobie", which stuck with him far beyond basic.
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Right, it's called "Creating Mindless Drones."
 
paflyer said:
Right, it's called "Creating Mindless Drones."
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I think that's a little harsh. Really, it's about team building, and knowing that your borther has your back instead of stabbing it.
 
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