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Limiting liability when the Owner is working under supervision.

How would you sign off a log book entry for work preformed, when you are indicating the owner did the work?
We know the FAAs views on this.
what is the insurance/courts views.?
 
I just list the facts.....no signature
12/09/2020 4537.1 AFTT, 1209.72 Tach, N658Z, PA 22-108, S/N: 22-8743

Supervised Tim Smith in the following repairs - Replaced: Wing root attach fasteners, Wing root fuel hoses PN 39706, Heater muff inlet hose PN 05-29908, Brackett air filter PN BA-4108, Crankcase breather tube and MIL6000 hose, Alternator drive belt PN 37B19774-325, Secured headliner support wires with (5) MS21919-WDG10 clamps.

C/W AD 2015-08-04 Wing Lift Struts by inspection per para h(1) & h(2) (due next annual insp),
C/W AD 76-07-12 R1 Bendix Switch by checking ops of mags (due next 100 hrs),
C/W AD 60-10-08 Fuel Selector screen by inspection (due next 100 hrs),
C/W AD 68-05-01 Muffler Inspection by inspection per para (e) (due next 100 hrs)

Checked engine controls for full travel operation. Replaced ELT battery PN GS-52 (due 05/05/25). Inspected ELT in accordance with 14 CFR 91.207(d) by inspection and functional check. Returned to service. I certify that this aircraft has been inspected in accordance with an annual inspection as per 14 CFR 43 Appendix D and was determined to be in an airworthy condition.


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Tom-D said:
How would you sign off a log book entry for work preformed, when you are indicating the owner did the work?
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Part 43 directs you where to put their name and your name.
Tom-D said:
what is the insurance/courts views.?
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Whoever signs the approval for retun to service owns it no matter who else worked on it.
 
Checkout_my_Six said:
I just list the facts.....no signature
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Then the aircraft has not been returned to service and is not airworthy.


(a) Maintenance record entries. Except as provided in paragraphs (b) and (c) of this section, each person who maintains, performs preventive maintenance, rebuilds, or alters an aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, propeller, appliance, or component part shall make an entry in the maintenance record of that equipment containing the following information:

(1) A description (or reference to data acceptable to the Administrator) of work performed.

(2) The date of completion of the work performed.

(3) The name of the person performing the work if other than the person specified in paragraph (a)(4) of this section.

(4) If the work performed on the aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, propeller, appliance, or component part has been performed satisfactorily, the signature, certificate number, and kind of certificate held by the person approving the work. The signature constitutes the approval for return to service only for the work performed.
 
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I’m the only one who can return it to service...so the other signature is meaningless.
 
Checkout_my_Six said:
so the other signature is meaningless.
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FYI: true in one perspective but still technically required. It also falls upon the person performing the work to make the actual record entry vs only the approve RTS person.
 
When I did some fabric repairs prior to an annual that were beyond the scope of "preventive maintenance", the A&P had me enter the work in the logbook myself, under which he wrote, "above work performed by owner" and added the entry for the annual and signed it off.
 
People perform differently if they PERCEIVE

They have skin in the game.

Wish I could find my Bill O ‘brien article

On RTS.

Only fed guy that could really make sense.

If you never met you missed out on a good one.
 
Magman said:
Only fed guy that could really make sense.

If you never met you missed out on a good one.
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Bill at one time went to all the FSDO and give his speech, I miss him.
 
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