A Little Football
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Cap'n Jack
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I'd like to see this done by a pro team. Is this play legal for pros or college teams?
Matthew
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I saw it yesterday, and there was a story about it in the paper today. Apparently, the way it works: It starts with a 5-yard penalty. The refs mark it off and the teams line up for the next play. The coach starts yelling at the refs that they needed to mark off an additional 5 yards. Then he yells at the QB to go ahead and do it himself. Everybody gets in their stance and holds so there are no penalties, the center hands the ball back to the QB in a legal snap, then the QB counts off 5 yards while the other team watches.
mantakos
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Not to be a dork, but I'm inclined to think that everything you do with kids is somehow instructional, and I'm wondering what the coaches have in mind with this one.
Then again, I always wonder what the involved adults think the lesson is when they tell kids to stand in an intersection with a bucket to collect money for their band, or whatever.
-harry
Then again, I always wonder what the involved adults think the lesson is when they tell kids to stand in an intersection with a bucket to collect money for their band, or whatever.
-harry
CJones
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Saw it on the news a few nights ago. Pretty clever actually.
Of course, it will NEVER work again... I'm pretty sure every little league football coach that has seen this has now told their team "If ANYONE crosses the line of scrimmage with the football, CLOBBER THEM. We'll take a penalty if it's legit, but better safe than sorry."
Of course, it will NEVER work again... I'm pretty sure every little league football coach that has seen this has now told their team "If ANYONE crosses the line of scrimmage with the football, CLOBBER THEM. We'll take a penalty if it's legit, but better safe than sorry."
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I think that everyone on the field got a lesson in situational awareness.
The "loser" team in the video probably took a lot more of that lesson to heart, though. It's a worthwhile thing to be taught young.
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Awesome.
mantakos
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And that things like honor and sportsmanship and respect don't matter, as long as your pee-wee team's coach can say "suck it, *****!" to their pee-wee team's coach that day. It's a valuable lesson in being an a-hole.
-harry
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Perhaps you are mistaking the trick play for cheating, which it is not. I don't see how the move was dishonorable or unsportsmanlike. If anything, it was a real life version of one of those wacky sports plays one sees in adolescent movies, you know: the underdog team has half of their players injured by the ruthless, taller, better looking kids from the right side of the tracks... and then the adorable bunch of ragtags pulls off a play like this to win the game and save their camp from being sold to the evil rich guy for use as a baby seal slaughtering facility.
Your "suck it, *****" comment is in poor taste and assigns malevolent intent to the coach without any proof. How do you know what he was thinking?
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yea, like the Annexation of Puerto Rico
EdFred
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We probably shouldn't keep score either. Don't want the kids that lost the game to get there feelings hurt. While you're at it it, eliminate playing tag at school too...
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+1
There is a satisfaction in winning that can"t be replicated with a false sense of self esteem. It breeds ambition, and ambition is usually a good thing.
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There are all kinds of trick plays in sports. If these kids play next year when they're in high school, they'll keep a better eye out for fakes.
As for begging for money to pursue their unprofitable hobbies, well, that's good solid preparation for being married. :wink2:
EppyGA
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You forgot dodge ball, oh that's right already been eliminated. :wink2:
Had to add the pic before Scott got to it.
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Um, okay, though I'll note that your response has nothing to do with anything I said.
-harry
EdFred
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Liberals: Taking the fun out of everything since 1918.
mantakos
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This isn't a "trick play" in the sense of doing something unexpected, like a flea flicker or a reverse or a punter throwing a pass, the trick is based on you doing something that the other team reasonably interprets as not playing the game at all.
Sorry, but it's an a-hole play, and if you had tried to pull something stupid like that on the sandlot I grew up in, we would have told you to quit acting like a dick and go back and hike the ball for real already.
-harry
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I agree it's kind of a butthole move, but there are all kinds of trick plays that rely on the other team either not realizing the ball has been snapped or thinking there's been some kind of mistake. These are eighth graders playing, so they'll probably get over the trauma eventually.
The A-11 offense (two links) is probably more dickish overall, and was also barely legal until they closed the loophole.
nyoung
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There's a video on youtube of one of these trick plays going badly. The QB takes the sidesnap, walks to the sideline yelling, "wrong ball, coach". The middle linebacker had obviously seen the play on youtube, because he made a direct (and unblocked) path to the QB and knocked him on his back. Awesome...
My google-fu is weak today, b/c I cannot find the link.
My google-fu is weak today, b/c I cannot find the link.
Matthew
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Is this it?
Here's the link where I found it:
http://www.cliffviewpilot.com/editorial/1807-middle-school-hidden-brains-trick-more-like-it
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Matthew
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I dunno - I have mixed feelings about trick plays like that in younger kids games. So many times kids that age are still trying to learn the rules anyway. Pulling a fast one like that, at that age, seems a little too easy.
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In my opinion, it was actually an illegal snap. The refs screwed up the ruling, but I don't fault them, as it is an obscure rule.
Texas UIL snap rules: Section 23
Article 1 (e) Unless moved in a backward direction, the movement of the ball does not start a legal snap. It is not a legal snap if the ball is first moved forward or lifted.
Look at the snap at the beginning of the play. The first motion was not backwards, but upwards and sideways. He just bent his elbow
Edit: Hmm, if the near side judge is standing at roughly the same spot as the far one, the coach is dangerously skirting actually being on the field during the "snap" Another penalty.
--Carlos V.
Texas UIL snap rules: Section 23
Article 1 (e) Unless moved in a backward direction, the movement of the ball does not start a legal snap. It is not a legal snap if the ball is first moved forward or lifted.
Look at the snap at the beginning of the play. The first motion was not backwards, but upwards and sideways. He just bent his elbow
Edit: Hmm, if the near side judge is standing at roughly the same spot as the far one, the coach is dangerously skirting actually being on the field during the "snap" Another penalty.
--Carlos V.
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Yes, very valuable lesson, right there.
Haw haw haw, that's a way to take it to 'em, boys!
I coached high school varsity basketball and baseball. There's a difference between in-game deception and plain old deceit, and we all know the difference.
It's one thing to take advantage of seasoned, capable players. It's something else altogether to pull the wool over the eyes of still-learning kids.
Another thing -- this coach will be the object of scorn. He may have scored this once, but I predict a long series of high-scoring drubbings (it's called "running up the score") for the foreseeable future.
Haw haw haw, that's a way to take it to 'em, boys!
I coached high school varsity basketball and baseball. There's a difference between in-game deception and plain old deceit, and we all know the difference.
It's one thing to take advantage of seasoned, capable players. It's something else altogether to pull the wool over the eyes of still-learning kids.
Another thing -- this coach will be the object of scorn. He may have scored this once, but I predict a long series of high-scoring drubbings (it's called "running up the score") for the foreseeable future.
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Perfectly OK. We did a similar play when I was a peewee. We send in two subs the three would leave the huddle together. Only the 3rd would stop just short of the sideline and wait. Snap the ball throw to the guy on the sideline and off he'd go. Worked pretty well; once.
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Perfectly OK. We did a similar play when I was a peewee. We send in two subs the three would leave the huddle together. Only the 3rd would stop just short of the sideline and wait. Snap the ball throw to the guy on the sideline and off he'd go. Worked pretty well; once.
I remember we were playing flag football, 6 on 6 and they are in man-d. We are on our own 5, trips left formation, running back next to me goes in motion left behind the three receivers, so it looks like a bubble screen (which we had run before) but he just kept running and took his motion out of bounds. On the far right side of the field my brother, who had been standing maybe 12" from the sideline, steps in. Snap, quick hit, 55 yard TD. We forced the other team into a zone, and flooded the crap out of them. We won easily.
The league instituted a rule barring that priot to the following week's games.
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The QB highlighted one of the flaws of Cover 2.
EdFred
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No, that's a bunch of crybabies falling to the ground everytime someone breathes near them. I've taken harder shots than that in the dojo, and got right back up.
Matthew
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heh - a soccer guy fell down.
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I love the sport of soccer but I agree...I simply cannot watch professional soccer as it is becoming the WWF of the sports world. Too much faking and whining about small contacts....it is freaking embarrassing.
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Me too. I love soccer but I refuse to watch MLS or world cup until they do something about the flop. Premier League isn't much better.
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