14th Annual N40 "H.O.P.S. Party" Invitation

Ok.. Think it might be best left in the boot (trunk) until later in the day ..
 
Jay Honeck said:
Technically, alcohol is not allowed on the grounds.

In real life, the North 40 is absolutely awash in booze. The only people who don't have alcohol are tea-totallers and children.

That's one of those rules EAA put in place as a CYA, in case of a mishap.
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That's an interesting question that comes out of this discussion. How does EAA get to write rules for a federally funded airport? How do we here at Nevada County get to charge admission to our little fly-in at a federally funded airport? How does any fly-in get to charge the taxpayer to get onto grounds that federal tax dollars pays for? Or make rules that are used on the airport without going through the long and involved public rule-making procedure that guarantees environmental review, public hearings and input, and all the rest of that rigamarole?

I'm not kvetching about it, but if somebody made a stink about it, what would happen?

Just idle curiosity.

Jim
 
We went all through this when Zoom Campbell tried his case in Federal Court for SnF.
First off, what FEDERAL rule says an airport can't lease part of the grounds to an entity that charges admission? Further, just because it's a public facility doesn't mean the owning entity can't lease it out on whatever terms.

As for alcohol. The prohibition is kind of outdated sine the EAA themselves finally relented and allow alcohol to be sold on the field. It's just too lucrative for them not to (and their willing to eat the additional security costs...believe me, I've been all over that in other sporting event facilities that sell beer). Anyhow, the general prohibition was always suspended within an individual's campsite. We used to have beer at the volunteer party but powers-that-be put an end to that one. The dead-dog party on Sunday used to have an open bar, but the EAA cheaped out on recognizing the most dedicated of the volunteers and switched it to just (reasoanble) beer and (absolutely ****ty) wine for the past few years.
 
flyingron said:
We went all through this when Zoom Campbell tried his case in Federal Court for SnF.
First off, what FEDERAL rule says an airport can't lease part of the grounds to an entity that charges admission? Further, just because it's a public facility doesn't mean the owning entity can't lease it out on whatever terms.
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I wasn't privy to the Zoomer's court decision, so thanks for the update. It didn't stop the Zoomer for calling me up and threatening to bring me into the lawsuit over something I'm still wondering about.

First off, I'm sure that the airport CAN lease part of the grounds to an entity ... otherwise we wouldn't have private hangars on public land. HOWEVER, I would suspect that there is a catch clause in the Fed agreement that the airport entity must receive equitable compensation for the lease ... they can't just give it away. That leads to some other questions ...

Further, the owning entity has to follow local rules & regs. For instance, our owning entity (County of Nevada) says we can't store gasoline or oil (6+ quarts) inside the hangar. Reasonable. But if they are going to lease a tenth of an acre to me for a port-a-port, then they can't just GIVE (or lease for a trivial amount) to a "buddy" for a penny a year or let him run a gas station out of the plot. That leads to some other questions ...

Jim
 
weirdjim said:
Further, the owning entity has to follow local rules & regs. For instance, our owning entity (County of Nevada) says we can't store gasoline or oil (6+ quarts) inside the hangar. Reasonable.
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6 quarts? Seriously, you can't have enough oil in your hangar to do an oil change?
 
Jay Honeck said:
6 quarts? Seriously, you can't have enough oil in your hangar to do an oil change?
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Have, yes. Store, no. The contemplation was not that you'd buy a case on Friday and do the oil change on Monday. The contemplation was that you'd store it for a year. This is a little TINY rural county and we've all been around the place for a long time. We've come to accept county lawyer's conditions with our own interpretations and reasonable acceptances. I've got a storage unit behind my hangar with a few cans of spray paint. The @$$#0!e in the adjoining hangar is trying to get me hung on storage of "toxic chemicals". He isn't going anywhere with that line of reasoning.

Jim

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I guess that would depend on the plane. My buddies with round engines have 55 gallon drums of oil in their hangars. They pour gallons in like I put quarts in the IO-550.
 
flyingron said:
I guess that would depend on the plane. My buddies with round engines have 55 gallon drums of oil in their hangars. They pour gallons in like I put quarts in the IO-550.
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That's because round engines mark their territory. I love the look and sound, but I can't even begin to contemplate the operational costs...
 
weirdjim said:
Have, yes. Store, no. The contemplation was not that you'd buy a case on Friday and do the oil change on Monday. The contemplation was that you'd store it for a year. This is a little TINY rural county and we've all been around the place for a long time. We've come to accept county lawyer's conditions with our own interpretations and reasonable acceptances. I've got a storage unit behind my hangar with a few cans of spray paint. The @$$#0!e in the adjoining hangar is trying to get me hung on storage of "toxic chemicals". He isn't going anywhere with that line of reasoning.

Jim

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I've been based at terrible airports, and I've been based at fantastic airports -- but I've never contemplated an airport telling me that I couldn't store a case of motor oil, or some spray paint.

What fascist country do you live in that enslaves you so?
 
flyingron said:
...As for alcohol. The prohibition is kind of outdated sine the EAA themselves finally relented and allow alcohol to be sold on the field. It's just too lucrative for them not to (and their willing to eat the additional security costs...believe me, I've been all over that in other sporting event facilities that sell beer). Anyhow, the general prohibition was always suspended within an individual's campsite. We used to have beer at the volunteer party but powers-that-be put an end to that one. The dead-dog party on Sunday used to have an open bar, but the EAA cheaped out on recognizing the most dedicated of the volunteers and switched it to just (reasoanble) beer and (absolutely ****ty) wine for the past few years.
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Interesting.

I attended my first International Party during Oshkosh about 25 years ago. Its held at the EAA Nature Center and they always pull in a couple of trailers and serve free beer (& brats). Been to about a half dozen of these over the years and the 2015 event was pretty well the same format. Quite sure the Canadians, Aussies and South Africans wouldn't bother to show up to a 'dry' party :rolleyes:
 
Well, not sure how that went off the rails so far...oh wait, its PoA :) I am a confirmed booth babe/person/worker/dude. We will be in Boeing plaza - give me a holler at the Gogo booth. I will be at the party, homebrew in hand.

And, I think we are hosting a party or two so stay tuned and I might have some invites.
 
masloki said:
Well, not sure how that went off the rails so far...oh wait, its PoA :) I am a confirmed booth babe/person/worker/dude. We will be in Boeing plaza - give me a holler at the Gogo booth. I will be at the party, homebrew in hand.

And, I think we are hosting a party or two so stay tuned and I might have some invites.
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It all makes sense when you realize....there are no rails.
 
Do you have ice? I hate hot beer, but I am staying in the dorms.

This is my first year and I do not know if I have access to ice to be able to cool down the beer before delivery.
 
texasag93 said:
Do you have ice? I hate hot beer, but I am staying in the dorms.

This is my first year and I do not know if I have access to ice to be able to cool down the beer before delivery.
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Yeah, we usually have coolers full of ice. If you can bring a bag, it's always appreciated, of course!
 
texasag93 said:
Do you have ice? I hate hot beer, but I am staying in the dorms.

This is my first year and I do not know if I have access to ice to be able to cool down the beer before delivery.
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Doesn't the dorms come with a fridge and microwave.. .??

Mike
 
So true...
 

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Scrabo said:
So true...
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For sure!

Although Mary and I have noticed an alarming trend among pilots lately that has us deeply worried. It seems that, along with the wussification of America, we are seeing more and more tea-totalling pilots at the airport.

Personally, I find this deeply disturbing. What sort of pilot worth his (or her) salt doesn't enjoy a cold beer at the end of a long day of flying?

 
Jay Honeck said:
For sure!

Although Mary and I have noticed an alarming trend among pilots lately that has us deeply worried. It seems that, along with the wussification of America, we are seeing more and more tea-totalling pilots at the airport.

Personally, I find this deeply disturbing. What sort of pilot worth his (or her) salt doesn't enjoy a cold beer at the end of a long day of flying?

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My only problem with having a beer is that it means I am done flying for the day :(
 
Jay Honeck said:
For sure!

Although Mary and I have noticed an alarming trend among pilots lately that has us deeply worried. It seems that, along with the wussification of America, we are seeing more and more tea-totalling pilots at the airport.

Personally, I find this deeply disturbing. What sort of pilot worth his (or her) salt doesn't enjoy a cold beer at the end of a long day of flying?

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Well, I very rarely drink, so I suppose I could be considered a teetotaler, BUT, I generally produce up to 25 gallons of homebrew per year, mostly for the enjoyment of others. I was planning on toting in a hand crafted American wheat beer for you and Mary. May I be forgiven my teetotaler-ness?
 
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OkieFlyer said:
Well, I very rarely drink, so I suppose I could be considered a teetotaler, BUT, I generally produce up to 25 gallons of homebrew per year, mostly for the enjoyment of others. I was planning on toting in a hand crafted American wheat beer for you and Mary. May I be forgiven my teetotaler-ness?
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A beer-brewing teetotaller???

Is that like a eunuch pimp?

Sure, everyone is welcome!
 
Jay Honeck said:
A beer-brewing teetotaller???

Is that like a eunuch pimp?

Sure, everyone is welcome!
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Haha! That's quite an analogy, Jay, and accurate to boot. Off color labels aside, I will be having a brewski or six at your shindig. If ever there was an occasion to partake, Oshkosh is it.

Edit: Just so there's no confusion, all my man parts are intact and in their proper place. ;)
 
Jay Honeck said:
For sure!

Although Mary and I have noticed an alarming trend among pilots lately that has us deeply worried. It seems that, along with the wussification of America, we are seeing more and more tea-totalling pilots at the airport.

Personally, I find this deeply disturbing. What sort of pilot worth his (or her) salt doesn't enjoy a cold beer at the end of a long day of flying?

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Pilots are getting older.
 
flyingron said:
The airport is closed by the time Jay's party is in full swing.
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Hmmm, I seem to recall it swinging pretty well and being worried that someone was going to hop the rope and start marshalling airplanes. There were definitely planes arriving and departing.

I'll be light on drinking. Darn medicine has an insidious side effect, it multiplies the effects of a hangover. So I might have one or two but the next morning it will feel like 12. If I had a six pack, I'd probably feel dead the next morning.
 
weirdjim said:
Further, the owning entity has to follow local rules & regs. For instance, our owning entity (County of Nevada) says we can't store gasoline or oil (6+ quarts) inside the hangar. Reasonable.
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So you drain the tanks on the 182 every time you park it in there? ;)
 
I've seen the TX flag in past years and then found this blog after 2015 Airventure. Never knew about the brewski party and cost of admission. Will be sure to pack a six pack or two of local craft malt beverage and look for the TX flag this year.
 
James from Fort Worth Texas here and I will be there AGAIN THIS YEAR!! CANT WAIT!!
 
I'll be there with a six-pack from Kansas City.
 
Got my NOTAM in the mail today. Couple cases of Zima and I'm all set!
 
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