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Thanks for this Velocity 173. Its helpful.

I see your point. Here's what happened. I was at a gathering and spoke to a high ranking member of the Air Force Training and Education Command and that's what he told me. He said if there's an avoidance notation within an MOA, or an MTR, then the pilots have to comply. But, clearly they...

Despite the sarcasm..I appreciate the folks who gave accurate advice, and quoted the documents I would need to get my question's answered.

I'll send them

Right, we get that. The avoidance notation on our maps says 1500 feet...All of us pilots follow regs...in my book, same goes for military pilots..

I appreciate everyone's help. Unfortunately, I can't get into the DoD Flip system. Its telling me its restricted to folks with DOD credentials.

thanks!

I'm going to try and call again. It won't be my first .Thanks

ha! I've already lodged complaints. We live in a very tight canyon-valley with horses, cattle, tourists, and the like, and because we are part of this VR route, (and a very attractive flying target), we get F-16's flying way to low over our tiny village. The scheduling base told us we are in...

That's good info..I'm sure that's not happening...I was told by the Air Force pilot that its automated now. A pilot or squad that wants to fly in the route-usually fighter jets, does this through an automated scheduling system and that the flight manager at the scheduling base doesn't even see...

Thanks for this, I tried to click on this link, but there was some google scramble warning....I'll try again later. I appreciate the responses...much quicker help than calling the Air Force!

I'll check this out..Looks like you need an account...and a military education, but I'll give it a shot..thank you

Yes We were given a map of the avoidance areas by Holloman Air Force base, the base that manages and schedules the VR..but it appears that they are not sharing that information with other bases and pilots..because many different planes come through this way,, and even different branches of the...

Hi, I live under VR 176 in the Gila Wilderness in New Mexico that allows flights as low as 100 feet. We were told by a neighboring Air Force Base that there was an "avoidance zone" over our community and neighboring national park. However, we had another Air Force pilot tell us that on the...