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    Don't do acro unless you have been trained.

    So are you saying that this dead Cirrus pilot is a pioneer, an innovator who has put his life on the line to make aviation history? News flash, aerobatics are as old as aviation its self. It has all been done, why are we talking about somebody being the first to successfully do something...
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    Don't do acro unless you have been trained.

    Dude, you aren't getting the point. There were pioneers who had to learn the hard way. From them, we have learned what to do, and what not to do. They weren't morons, the pilot who attempts a maneuver for which he is not qualified, at an altitude that no novice aerobatic pilot would be...
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    Don't do acro unless you have been trained.

    The same exact way these morons did it. They attempted, it went ok without issue, they thought that it goes that way every time, they try it again under different circumstances, and die.
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    Don't do acro unless you have been trained.

    The answer to those, is they learned the hard way, and I bet all of them died in accidents. Don't paint these morons to be heroic.
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    Don't do acro unless you have been trained.

    So true, I have lost at least 2 people I know that were well known air show pilots, that botched a recovery, and are now dead. Unfortunately those are on video as well.
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    Traveling to San Francisco (Wanting to fly around San Fran)

    I have never seen a 747 or similar use the 1s. It is always 28s unless they are on SE plan.
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    Traveling to San Francisco (Wanting to fly around San Fran)

    Are you a controller there?
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    Don't do acro unless you have been trained.

    Not just being taught how to roll an airplane, but to understand the forces at hand during these aerobatic maneuvers is the key. This jackass clearly rolled the airplane successfully at least two times prior, and mind you only guys with a to the ground waiver attempt aerobatics at 220'. There is...
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    Don't do acro unless you have been trained.

    Ok fair enough. Then it's a reg even more commonly broken.
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    Don't do acro unless you have been trained.

    I still think a private company should spins the Cirrus, it would really help to know how they behave. I have only a few hours in Cirri' And they stall perfectly fine, and have the maneuverability to IMHO, get out of hairy situations.
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    Don't do acro unless you have been trained.

    The legality of flying aerobatics can be loose at times. First, there is almost no such thing as a perfectly 100% legal flight. Regs are broken by the thousands daily. There are a few regularly broken regs that the FAA turns a blind eye to, aerobatics in non-aerobatic aircraft are one of them...
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    Don't do acro unless you have been trained.

    Well, that is a very general statement. You can't do a competition roll in an aircraft without an inverted fuel/oil system. Or I should say, shouldn't. You have to keep positive G on the airplane.
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    Don't do acro unless you have been trained.

    Thank you.
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    Don't do acro unless you have been trained.

    Well it wasn't. The accident roll was the third he did that day. He also started the roll at 220'.
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    Don't do acro unless you have been trained.

    Also according to data, it shows the accident roll being started at 220 feet. Think about that for a second or 3.
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    Don't do acro unless you have been trained.

    There is no requirement for aerobatic training, prior to performing aerobatics in ANY aircraft regardless if it is certified or not. The FARs themselves, make no mention of doing aerobatics in aircraft certified for aerobatics or not.
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