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Twin Lakes, Mt. Elbert. Leadville, Colorado.

Have we helped OP in any way?

And this proves what? All I can see is that there are no Beech airplanes on this list. And that Aztecs rule.

Some NA 337s shoot rockets and machine guns pretty well :)

I am answering your questions. You keep changing the subject. Since you have accused 337 of having no quantifiable advantages, I have listed some for you. Could you please do the same for your Travel Air? If not, I just assume it is a quite average light twin with no exceptional...

You are kidding, right? Have you ever flown P-Baron?

I hint no desperation. I like my turbos. I love my pressurization. What are you proud of in your Travel Air?

I'm not using any measuring stick. Airplanes are airplanes. Could you please share with us the quantifiable advantages of the Travel Air? (compared to anything you wish)

I have nothing against others making their buying decisions based on "the higher the better" prices. These guys make it possible for me to buy a fast pressurized twin with unbeatable STOL capabilities for $70K. My operating expenses are way less than any comparable p-twins but let's keep it...

Ok, let's talk quantifiable advantages. P-Skymasters: 1. 190-195 Ktas airplane on 225 hp engines and 25-28 gph. 2. 2,000 fpm real world climb rates (with intercoolers). 3. STOL runway requirements under 700ft. 4. Vso ~ 46 Kias with STOL kit. 5. Single engine ceiling of 18,700 ft. 6...

They do not. Check Controller. Who cares? Since when market values determine aircraft qualities? Priced some quality jets from the 70s lately?

Slow? P-Skymasters are 190-195 Ktas airplanes. Riley Skyrockets are 210+ Ktas airplanes. How fast is your Travel Air? Also, can you do 2000 fpm climbs in your Travel Air? Can you fly on one at 16,000 ft? Will you fly it to Telluride in July? Skymasters have many exceptional qualities...

Speaking of quiet cabins... Pusher prop designs such as Long-EZ, Velocity, Beech Starship and Piaggio Avanti got something right in the sound department. Even caging the front engine in a Cessna 337 makes for a very quiet cabin. Still, the market votes against such designs because they do not...

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Priceless. Thank you. I could not ask for a better proof.

Not everyone is smitten by the looks of the Starship. Most of Rutan's designs are far from pretty.

That's the whole point. V-tail looks beautiful. Ask the owners. Ask the aspiring future owners. V-tail sold the airplane. Who cared that V-tail was structurally deficient? No one. Who cared that it offered no performance gains over the standard tail? No one. Who cared that V-tail Bonanzas...

No. This is a first-hand observation from reading a lot about Cessna model history. Care to offer a counterpoint?

Looks. With 337 Cessna discovered that safety and performance do not sell. Looks do. This applies to all airplanes, not just new. Buyers go for the look of the airplane and then seek rational reasons to justify their decision. Skymasters look... different.

Additional benefits of the Cessna 337 compared to other light twins (and some heavy singles): 1. Cabin entry is easy. No stepping on the wing. No crawling through the cabin. Later models have split-airstair door - the easiest way to get in for older passengers. Also - faster preflight. 2...