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Yep, good point. Also will be looking into the mountain airport experience of their pilots. Though, for a lot of these companies, I think the reality is that these winter destination routes are fairly common routes for them.

Yeah, we won't own or operate anything. We'll simply be chartering. I'm already speaking with operators, but I've found so far that they can be a little overoptimistic, it seems, on what ranges and capacities their fleet is capable of. (Especially when you're dealing with the sales side of...

Good call, @jonvcaples. I've considered small airliners, like the D328, and it could be a really interesting strategy for us to pursue a little further down the line, but at the moment it's uncertain whether we'll have the numbers to justify it. Plus, even with high enough numbers, it's...

Thanks, @kayoh190. Yeah, I realized a couple weeks back how much of a premium you pay by working with brokers, so I've started going directly to operators. At the moment, I'm mainly speaking with operators in SoCal, but given that we'll be doing trips every week over a 10-week period, I also...

Thanks, @flyingcheesehead. I recently did a trial account on FlightList PRO, which seems like it provides even more detail than CharterHub. Are you familiar with them? Any additional good options out there? Also, are there any other good databases for finding all charter operators with a...

Yeah, older is fine, especially as I'm chartering, so this isn't an asset that I'm acquiring or holding onto. Main focus is on cost, capacity, range, and availability... • With regards to cost, getting as close to turboprops as possible with regards to overall trip cost per passenger, assuming...

Good stuff, @flyingcheesehead. It looks like both have a configuration where you can do eight passengers and two pilots without having to stick someone in the lavatory? Is the Learjet 45 in this class, too? How about some of the older Cessna models?

@flyingcheesehead and @jayhawk74, the PC-24 does look pretty ideal, as far as jets ago, with regards to its range and passenger capacity. One issue, though, is that it looks like there are very few of them out in the wild. Are there any other jets that are comparable in range and passenger...

Sorry if it was unclear, but it seems like you and some other folks are assuming I'm looking to start my own charter company. Not at all. (I don't have a fraction of the experience necessary to do that, needless to say.) Rather, I'm speaking with potential charter operator partners, and...

Ah, that makes more sense. Thank you.

Got it, @Dave Theisen. Weird that there's so much contradictory information out there on this. Is that 6,600 lbs. with or without crew? If with, what would it be without? Also, if you're flying pretty close to capacity and into these mountain airport destinations, is FL210 a pretty...

As a further update, I searched around online a bit and Wikipedia lists the PC-12 NG's empty weight as 6,195 lb. and another site lists the PC-12/47's empty weight as 6,040 lb., both even less than the default assumption that ForeFlight uses. I also found an AOPA brochure for the PC-12 NGX that...

Thanks, guys. Yeah, it seems like at least part of the difference might be the empty weight and altitude. Regarding empty weight, ForeFlight's default assumption for the PC-12 is 6,320 lbs.. Add on the 400 lb. total that I'm assuming for two crew members, and that gets you to 6,720 lbs...

Hi, @Dave Theisen. The numbers are coming straight out of ForeFlight. Here's a screenshot in case my attachment didn't work earlier...https://d.pr/i/CTC8Fk. Does anything in particular in their calculations look off to you?

Hi, @MauleSkinner. Regarding fuel flow, that's automatically generated by ForeFlight, I believe. Does it look to you like their assumptions are incorrect...https://d.pr/i/CTC8Fk? Regarding cargo, all ski gear would be shipped separately, so passengers would be traveling with very little.

Interesting, @jayhawk74. At the recommendation of @flyingcheesehead, I decided to trial ForeFlight. I'm attaching what I'm getting for the trip. (Note that I'm using HHR, which is within a few miles of LAX, so shouldn't make a difference.) According to ForeFlight, 10 people on board should...

Is this right, @jayhawk74? The range finder on the PC-12 website puts the range with two pilots and eight passengers at 1,057 nm. I believe LAX to JAC is 681 nm and LAX to YVR at 939 nm. I realize the YVR trip is getting tight and will presumably need a fuel stop, but JAC seems more than...

Thanks again, @flyingcheesehead! Super helpful. A few questions on your analysis here... • How are you determining the amount of reserve? • Is the final payload number, e.g. the 1,292 pounds of payload in your PC-12 example, all the capacity you have for passengers *and* two pilots? Or are...

This is very informative stuff. Thank you, @flyingcheesehead.

Makes sense. Any other winter resort exceptions that come to mind? Perhaps EGE, JAC, and SUN?