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Thanks as that is valuable information. I'm just in the beginning stages of exploring options so good to hear this info from 1st hand owners. I assume if it's NA the cooling issue does not exist?

What do you mean by switching to turbo & cowling will cost 20-30K, is this regarding at overhaul time? Appreciate the other info though! I know it's just an add and sales pitch to an extent, but it's nice to hear previous owner supposedly kept up plane with open checkbook. Obviously I'll...

For any of you current owners of Saratoga's, thoughts about this one I ran across? Seems pretty low hours since overhaul and descent updated avionics panel. The only thing that I wasn't really looking for was the turbo engine which I assume would be a higher maintenance cost? You all have...

Wow, that's a sweet looking panel and plane. Did you complete the makeover of the panel or did you buy it like that? That's a very clean looking setup! What year is your Toga?

Thanks everyone!

Thank you very much & I appreciate your first hand knowledge. I think I’m leaning more towards an early 80’s Toga NA retractable with some updated avionics & lower SMOH. Found a few in the mid 100’s. Having 3 younger kids (8,6, almost 2) I think the club seats just are more practical for them...

We have a place up in Port Austin, MI (thumb of Michigan). I did most of my PPL training in Bad Axe (BAX). If we went through and bought a plane for commuting back and forth that would be where I'd keep it over the summer.

Thanks. I plan on knocking this out pretty fast if possible. Owning a business my work schedule is flexible. I got my PPL done in 2 months. Hoping to see if I could do IFR in a few months at most if possible. The current plane I fly is a 182 with 2 Garmin 430’s & a Garmin GMX200. There...

That would of been up there and I did originally look at them however with the majority of my flying with multiple people being my wife & 3 kids I’m not a fan of the seating layout of the 3 traditional rows. If it had a club seating I’d definitely consider as the bulk of my current flight time...

Didn’t even think of that. Thanks!

There are a few in the 130-150 range but seems most of the better fitted & lower hours are around 200 as noted. Bonanzas I agree are very nice but the useful load really gets me as I think they’re too low for what we are needing.

What year is yours & typically what do you see as a cruising speed? Curious for our longer flights to get an idea of how long it would be flight time. Your specs are similar to a few I’ve started to look at. Thanks

Thanks! Just the info I was looking for!

Thanks everyone for the feedback. So far confirms we are probably on the right path so far. Think we’ll definitely do retractable but thinking maybe no to turbo. All flying will be on East coast. As noted anywhere from short trips to as long as FL to MI. Really looking forward to taking...

Thanks, we’ll need a 6 seater though as we are a family of 5 and some trips will be with everyone. If it was just me, or myself and 1 or 2 others I’d definitely be looking at something smaller & faster however I’m in need of a mini-van/Suburban of the skies....

Thanks! That's exactly the info I was looking for. Yes we'd definitely do 1 stop on way up and back unless we got a big tail wind. Kids already love flying with me now but the Saratoga will be night and day room for them compared to the 182 we fly now. What is your typical cruising speed in...

No, sorry about the name as it has nothing to do with flying. I went to school at Florida State University and am a being FSU Seminole fan (we go up to all the football games in the fall). I learned in a 172, but most of my flying experience has been in a 182 my family owns currently. I also...

I got my PPL 6 years ago and used King Schools at the time for ground. If I'm a visual person is that probably still best option now for IFR ground school? Also when I did my PPL I did ground first, passed test, then started flying. Do most stick with that routine for IFR training? I already...

Thanks! Yes this would be a mix of business and pleasure but I definitely plan on taking deductions for business use which helps! I've enjoyed the 182 I fly now (my father's plane) however with a growing family of five now we can't all fit if we want to go somewhere. Also it'd be nice to have...

1st post on here: So we live in Florida most the year but have a summer home up in Michigan where we spend all summer (2-3 months). Up to this point I have always flown commercial commuting back and forth (own a business and office is in FL), however I am now entertaining flying myself. Where...