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  1. Direct C51

    Overnight Fee Attached To Prop

    Tip speeds of rotors are going to be about 15% slower than propellers, and the drag formula squares velocity, so there will be a lot more drag. This would result in more friction opposing the centrifugal force, but I don't know the calculation for that. Centrifugal force will certainly be less...
  2. Direct C51

    Overnight Fee Attached To Prop

    That stuff wasn't there on preflight. Ever land in someones back yard? In a parking lot? On a major interstate? These things make tons of wind and will pick up anything nearby.
  3. Direct C51

    Overnight Fee Attached To Prop

    A few points that have already been mentioned for those who don't seem to want to read through the whole thread. 1: It wasn't a landing fee. 2: It wasn't the FBO. 3: There are envelopes available maybe 30 feet away on a light pole with a big yellow sign. I was going to pay the fee regardless...
  4. Direct C51

    Overnight Fee Attached To Prop

    Like the towbar that ANY pilot, anywhere, any time is sure to see. Or the control lock that ANY pilot, anywhere, any time is sure to see? Or how about the grounding cable, start cart, inlet covers, etc. Things get missed. I didn’t notice the envelope right away. I approached my plane, untied...
  5. Direct C51

    Overnight Fee Attached To Prop

    Good for you. Obviously none were KHII.
  6. Direct C51

    Overnight Fee Attached To Prop

    I’ll say again, this isn’t a fee imposed by the FBO. The only mechanism to pay the fee is by the envelope. What compels someone to make up some ridiculous circumstances that don’t exist just to argue online?
  7. Direct C51

    Overnight Fee Attached To Prop

    $10 per night. I don’t even see the point of putting an envelope on the prop. There are boxes of envelopes and giant signs on every light stanchion. If you are going to walk past those and decide not to pay, you are probably just going to throw the envelope away anyhow. By the way, the boxes and...
  8. Direct C51

    Overnight Fee Attached To Prop

    It’s not simply touching my prop. It is doing something to intentionally make my airplane unsafe or otherwise unairworthy, especially when it wasn’t overtly obvious. Despite what some think, it is my opinion that an envelope rubber banded around a prop is not safe to start up and takeoff with...
  9. Direct C51

    Overnight Fee Attached To Prop

    The envelope is the only mechanism to pay The overnight fee. The fee isn’t from the FBO. Question my pedantry with someone rubber banding an envelope to my prop, but do not question my integrity. I always pay.
  10. Direct C51

    Overnight Fee Attached To Prop

    This is my point exactly. I don’t care what your reason is, don’t touch critical things on my airplane. Attach it to the canopy cover, door, tie downs, chalks, tie down ring, whatever. Just not something I don’t want you touching.
  11. Direct C51

    Overnight Fee Attached To Prop

    We’ve lost many great aviators who’s mental exercises were perfect, yet their actions in reality were, human, not perfect. When it’s 110 degrees outside, possibly higher on the blacktop, you might rush things a little. Well, maybe not you, you’re perfect. You just flew in the day before, maybe...
  12. Direct C51

    Overnight Fee Attached To Prop

    Fair enough. Looks like half, or so, of you guys don’t mind an envelope on your prop. Perhaps I’m making a bigger deal of that than I should. However, I am going to argue whether there will be zero problems starting it with the envelope on there. Perhaps there won’t be. But I have seen what...
  13. Direct C51

    Overnight Fee Attached To Prop

    Well did you just volunteer to fold an envelope around your prop, double up a large rubber band around it, and film a run up, and then go fly it. Let’s see exactly what happens. Let’s see if the envelope flies off right away or stays on. You shouldn’t have a problem doing this on YOUR plane...
  14. Direct C51

    Overnight Fee Attached To Prop

    Why do you guys think folding it around the prop and securing it with a large rubber band is better than taping it to the door or windscreen. I would much prefer a piece of scotch tape on my windscreen or the side fuselage near my entrance (I don’t have doors). But much more preferred would be...
  15. Direct C51

    Overnight Fee Attached To Prop

    Hmmm, well with that logic, I guess in addition to securing the fee envelope to your prop, they should: Stuff a pen in your fuel vent, so that you can fill out the info on the envelope Cover your static port with a stamp, so you can mail the envelope. Stuff a plastic bag in your air intake...
  16. Direct C51

    Overnight Fee Attached To Prop

    I don’t think it would do much damage, but would probably make a weird noise and give a bit of a scare. I’m not so sure it would come off so easily. The envelope was folded over the leading edge of the prop and attached with a large rubber band that was doubled over and pretty taut. I’ve had a...
  17. Direct C51

    Overnight Fee Attached To Prop

    We went to visit some friends at KHII the other day and upon returning to the plane, I noticed they rubber banded an overnight fee envelope to my prop. I’ve never had this happen before and it did not sit well with me. The white envelope blended in with the white tips of my prop and it wasn’t...
  18. Direct C51

    Rv-6 down at kptv

    A good friend of mine flies an RV-6 near there, so this really got me nervous for a minute. Although the surrounding area is flat and looks good on Google Earth, those fields aren't going to be easy to land in. Most are orange trees or grapevines. Obviously better than stalling/spinning it in...
  19. Direct C51

    Thinking about a rental property

    Harvesting might be the best course of action for your situation. There are always downsides to this exit strategy however. First, capital gains taxes are going to suck. Also, while you will have a bunch of cash, if you don't reinvest it somewhere, it is just losing value due to inflation...
  20. Direct C51

    Flying in South Korea

    Osan Aero Club is where I learned to fly. All you need are FAA certs, and a way to get on base. Call or send them an email. This all assumes the aero club still exists, I was there 16 years ago. It was incredibly cheap, like $54 wet for a 172, instruction was $14 and the instructor never charged...
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