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the article says.. The plane, which was flying from Fulton County Executive Airport near Atlanta, sustained “significant damage” as it left runway 23, coming to rest in a runway safety area, Greer said in a statement. I think “significant damage” is a bit of an understatement.

Just heard a Lear ran off the runway at KMMU and that the airport is closed.

It can and does happen. It happened on a commercial flight I was on in January. The windshield cracked and the cabin depressurized. The oxygen masks dropping down and following emergency descent made for some excitement in the cabin.

The Robbies aren’t too bad. The R44 and R66 fly similarly to a 206. They just have small margins for error and are not tolerant of sloppy handling. All designs are a compromise and the Robinsons are reasonably fast and have pretty decent utility for their class. sure it would be nice to fly a...

There have been enough accidents for Robinson to issue a safety notice and publish it in the POH.

It is true that helicopters in many ways have a lower margin for error. Some helicopters more so than others. As long as the limitations are respected and the pilot operates the helicopter with strict adherence to the approved operating envelope, they can be as safe as any other comparable...

Most passengers, nothing. My significant other flies often enough with me that she’ll listen in on the radio for traffic advisories and help me spot traffic (as long as she isn’t sleeping, or taking pictures). I may also have a passenger change out my headset batteries when they go flat.

I completely agree. I’ve seen first hand how quickly the rotor rpm can droop in the R44 when performing the Vuichard technique. The crazy thing is you don’t really know the collective is too high until the rotor gets into clean air and I can see how that can very quickly cause things to...

There is some discussion that it may have been error in the recovery of vortex ring state (gripping throttle / over pitching) which could have led to low rotor rpm and possibly rotor stall. In this state the rotor can blow back and cut off the tail. They were operating in an area typically used...

Aviation in the NYC area. I live here too and both love and hate it simultaneously. Rental options around here stink or don’t exist so you look into buying only to find out none of the airports have hangars available. have you tried looking further south? Princeton or old bridge?

I’d be curious to see what caused the unexpected vibration and loss of power. The preliminary report didn’t identify anything other than the pilot’s testimony and the fact they found both fuel and oil in the aircraft.

The preliminary NTSB report has been published. https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/104679/pdf

A little more information regarding the accident is in this article. https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/miami-beach/article258649533.html

If ownership is in the cards you need to really think about parts, maintenance, and available A&Ps. Given the fact that the H269/300, bell 47, and now Enstrom are out of production or bankrupt (Enstrom), the best bet would be the Robinsons or the cabri g2 for a piston. An old jet ranger could...

pretty much. Full down collective to maintain rpm. Adjust collective as needed. Flare to trade off whatever airspeed you have to arrest the descent, forward cyclic and pull. Not much difference from an autorotation at altitude other than the fact that when you’re down low you can’t really do...

The R44 has fairly benign autorotation characteristics. In this case however, based on the video, the sink rate seems high and the flare poorly timed. Maybe RRPM got too low. I’d be curious to see the preliminary report.

Agreed. Helicopters of all sizes, typically have these life limited parts specified in their Airworthiness Limitations, whereas many light GA airplanes do not. The comparison to running over TBO was simply an example of what can't be done with respect to life limited parts. Their replacement is...

Correct, however… you routinely see airplanes operated under part 91 that run over TBO. One cannot do the same for any of the the life limited parts. Once the life limit is reached the component is unairworthy. Then you have the cost. The overhaul kit for the R22 with the airframe life...

The $300 rate sounds about right for a R22. The R44 rents closer to $600 / hr in most places. this is “inexpensive” by helicopter standard and is one of the reasons Robinson has taken over it’s segment of the market. There is a reason the older piston helicopters have fallen out of favor. They...

The FAA is watching. I got that email from FAASafety less than 1 hr after reading this thread.