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Sounds similar to what had been said in a previous post: "8s-on-pylons merely provide a more challenging maneuver to practice and demonstrate proficiency in controlling the aircraft in all three axes simultaneously while dividing our attention between inside and outside references." But the...

Correlation is not causation. It wouldn't have mattered how you flew the maneuver, so long as you didn't stall you would have avoided a stall/spin.

Usually I'm the one who is unclear on the concept. This time, however...

Maybe the issue here is a matter of differentiating between the maneuver, 8s-on-pylons, and a component of the maneuver, pivotal altitude. I contend that they are two different things. As I stated in post #40, 8s-on-pylons are one way to practice "controlling the aircraft in all three axes...

You had previously posted, "I agree PA is an important concept for emergencies and maybe IFR circle to land. Rectangular traffic patterns not so much." In this sentence, you characterized PA (I assume you meant pivotal altitude) as an important concept. I merely wanted clarification of your...

Says physics. But if you can explain just how it is that pivotal altitude contributes in any meaningful way to spin avoidance I'm definitely interested.

Pivotal altitude has nothing to do with skidding a turn, except when performing pylon 8s.

Just based on my own experiences, ATC normally clears us to resume our own navigation to a specified fix, intersection, navaid, or destination; or sometimes to join/rejoin a route. This has happened often enough that I expect to hear it this way, and if the controller were to omit the segment or...

What do you mean by "normal looking turn?" Who considers downwind turns to be more dangerous? Decades ago there were misinformed pilots who believed that the wing would stall when turning downwind at a slow airspeed, but I don't recall anyone ever claiming that pivotal altitude was in any way...

Interesting. I'd like to read the rest of the story, but not for 25 bucks. Thanks for posting the link. Regardless, we can assume that flying a gunship is a specialized mission with its own specialized training. I don't think that it makes a case in support of the 8s-On-Pylons maneuver as...

Have you flown gunship missions?

So, no connection to pivotal altitude at all. I'd be interested in hearing from anyone who has actually flown gunships and has firsthand knowledge.

With regard to the applicability of pivotal altitude and gunships, it seems highly unlikely that gunship pilots are direct (aim) fire by climbing and descending while turning around a target. Can anyone here describe the actual piloting technique used by gunship pilots? Does it involve...

First, would you be willing to clarify the difference between "important concept" vs. the actual maneuver and pivotal altitude? Secondly, how, precisely, does mastery of the maneuver translate to emergencies and circling approaches?

Agreed. While reading media produced by many large, well-known publishers, I get the impression that writers and editors have adopted a new stylebook developed by 9th grade students. I guess we can expect to see this same trend in technical publications as well.

Taken on the whole, PHAK and AFH are reasonably good--considering that they (and many other useful publications) are available free-of-charge from the FAA. They have been revised in a hodgepodge manner, many times over the decades, by different writers of different eras under different...

Well, there's one I hadn't considered: blasting evildoers to shreds. Have you flown that mission? As for photography, of the not-too-many aerial photo shoots that I have flown, the camera operator was more concerned about maintaining a steady platform and a constant altitude. Admittedly, my...

After many hours in both, I prefer the flight characteristics of the 150; however the Lycoming in the 152 is one of the toughest GA engines ever produced. 45 years after my first flight in a 150, I still have a soft spot for that oft maligned and underappreciated little gem.

Count me in with noafong and RyanSHort1 on this. I'm curious: is there a real-world situation in which a pilot maneuvers the airplane by pinning a wingtip reference point to a point on the ground while turning? I was taught, and subsequently taught others, how to perform 8s on Pylons in a part...

Yeah, that old saying predates PoA by about 5 decades, maybe more. If you really have time to spare, go by bicycle. But that's another thread.