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In the case of the airport reporting VFR, it is the pilots decision whether he needs SVFR or not. He may not get it right away because SVFR flights may be approved only if arriving and departing IFR aircraft are not delayed. I don’t think @Will Kumley ’s request was meritless. He had a...

Good point. If an ASRS is submitted to NASA, then maybe the issue will trickle down to the DOT, the FAA in particular. And maybe more Controllers will become edumicated and fewer pilots will have to deal with Controller ignorance

BTDT. It was on my PPL Check Ride. I was so wired on all the stuff I had learned during training about off airport landings that I didn’t consider an airport that was just 5 miles away. Did the checklists, was babbling about wind directions and all that stuff. I chose the beach. The...

I had a little trouble getting my head wrapped around the word pressure at first also. The cylinders are sucking air out of the manifold. But it’s really quite simple. Sucking lowers the pressure.

I’ve never heard of that

I don’t have to imagine. I was a Controller for 30 years. I lived it.

He told the OP that “…no special VFR required as we are VFR with broken clouds at 1300…” I cannot interpret that anyway other than the Controller was ignorant of the fact that SVFR can be authorized even though the airport is reporting VFR.

If you do that with @, like this @Ed Haywood , it will get his attention to your compliment in case he isn’t following the thread anymore.

50/50. There’s a leadership problem way up the food chain. There is no excuse for that many Controllers not knowing what is correct.

Yeah, that was a problem many years ago when it was Control Zones and Airport Traffic areas. Sounds like it’s no better now than it was then.

I agree. But I say make the decision based on knowledge of the regs, not ignorance of them.

Yeah, yeah, I get your point. Pilot confesses??

If the Ceiling and the bases of the clouds are the same, then yes, you will be be 500’ below the Ceiling when you are 500’ below the cloud. But it doesn’t always happen that way. The weather observer may have made a bad guess when he called the Ceiling 1500. Or maybe the base of the clouds...

You don’t have to be 500’ below the Ceiling, just 500’ below cloud. The only absolute restriction to not operate beneath the Ceiling is if it is less than 1000. 91.155 (c)

If there’s a close one because you were merely remaining clear of cloud and just enough flight visibility to see where you are going instead of maintaining VFR you may be answering some questions.

Sounds like the Controller doesn’t understand he can authorize SVFR when the airport is reporting VFR. Where was this?

I don’t see anything that restricts patter work.

Would this be a situation where just ‘reloading’ the approach might be the easiest solution?

Well, 6 of ya's laughin' but what's the point? Must be some Elon thang. But check my trig anyway. I comed up with 135. The picture isn't accurate but that's how the numbers add up. Or maybe I'm just stoopid

Worked for me.