Musk Involved with Airspace

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FAA is a dumpster fire

As long as it doesn’t try to make us like a inferior higher gov profit system like Europe or Asia, hard to make it worse, and even if they do I live in the sticks and don’t have a transponder
 
Roller said:
FAA is a dumpster fire

As long as it doesn’t try to make us like a inferior higher gov profit system like Europe or Asia, hard to make it worse, and even if they do I live in the sticks and don’t have a transponder
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:popcorn:
 
Article “…get in suburban and drive …”

Sounds like someone was reading that other thread
 
Roller said:
FAA is a dumpster fire

As long as it doesn’t try to make us like a inferior higher gov profit system like Europe or Asia, hard to make it worse, and even if they do I live in the sticks and don’t have a transponder
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The state of the FAA is a result of Congressional demands, the people who you vote for. I highly doubt that having a billionaire determining the changes to the NAS will be good for the common people.
 
UngaWunga said:
The state of the FAA is a result of Congressional demands, the people who you vote for. I highly doubt that having a billionaire determining the changes to the NAS will be good for the common people.
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Same way the FAA wanted basic med?
 
ateamer said:
Get ready for user fees and mandatory ADS-B in all airspace, and personal aircraft being denied in B and C space and approach corridors when there is more than sporadic jet traffic.
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How do you figure?
 
I've noticed a repetitive pattern with Musk.

EM: I'm going to do X.
Everyone: That will never work. Can't be done. He's crazy. What a loon.
EM: Done.
Everyone: He didn't do that. He just hired people. It was all government subsidies. He got lucky. How do I get stock?

Until he well and truly screws something up, I'm going to continue to assume he is playing 6D chess in a world of checkers.
 
Ed Haywood said:
I've noticed a repetitive pattern with Musk.

EM: I'm going to do X.
Everyone: That will never work. Can't be done. He's crazy. What a loon.
EM: Done.
Everyone: He didn't do that. He just hired people. It was all government subsidies. He got lucky. How do I get stock?

Until he well and truly screws something up, I'm going to continue to assume he is playing 6D chess in a world of checkers.
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To be fair there are also a ton of crazy things he's said/Tweeted that he wasn't able to do.
 
eman1200 said:
we already have t-routes and q-routes, all we need are mooney-routes.

keep us away from the riff raff.
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Or, and I am just thinking outside the box and "spitballing" here, but how about keeping the riff raff away from us :):p:D
 
Ed Haywood said:
I've noticed a repetitive pattern with Musk.

EM: I'm going to do X.
Everyone: That will never work. Can't be done. He's crazy. What a loon.
EM: Done.
Everyone: He didn't do that. He just hired people. It was all government subsidies. He got lucky. How do I get stock?

Until he well and truly screws something up, I'm going to continue to assume he is playing 6D chess in a world of checkers.
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His goal was to make twitter/X the same as Chinese everything app WeChat. Has he succeeded?

On another note WeChat is also widely understood to be a means of surveillance. I wonder if that’s also a goal for him?

I’d argue that the goal for X was the lowest hanging fruit. And his successes were from before he went a bit odd in the head. And also where the F is full self driving?
 
Katamarino said:
Don't worry guys, when billionaires openly take over the government it always ends well for us. Just look at the thriving GA scene in Russia.
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Russia as a nation makes less than the state of Texas
 
ateamer said:
Get ready for user fees and mandatory ADS-B in all airspace, and personal aircraft being denied in B and C space and approach corridors when there is more than sporadic jet traffic.
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And with the our federal financial data he bullied and got access to, he can just charge us directly! THERE'S efficiency for you.....

Ron Wanttaja
 
Roller said:
Access to those who make a paycheck off my taxes, a vey different ball of wax
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It's a pretty simplistic viewpoint to think that it ends there. As an IT administrator who's managed myriad systems at different agencies, I've been responsible for very sensitive personal and financial data on private citizens. Are you comfortable with that data being extracted and hosted on hastily-installed servers that have not been vetted through Fedramp or any other privacy safeguards that are supposed to be in place? How much do you trust these people, who likely have no security clearances, who are doing this work for Musk?
 
Baked Potato said:
It's a pretty simplistic viewpoint to think that it ends there. As an IT administrator who's managed myriad systems at different agencies, I've been responsible for very sensitive personal and financial data on private citizens. Are you comfortable with that data being extracted and hosted on hastily-installed servers that have not been vetted through Fedramp or any other privacy safeguards that are supposed to be in place? How much do you trust these people, who likely have no security clearances, who are doing this work for Musk?
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Why would I trust some a random IT guy over a random dodge IT guy?

Over my time on this earth I have learned to always trust big government less and less
 
GaryM said:
I don't trust them at all. They don't know what they don't know; the coming data breaches are going to be epic.
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It’s a bunch of 25 year old cryptobros running that stuff. Move fast and break things mentality combined with an over inflated sense of skill and ego. Absolutely nothing can go wrong there when dealing with the sensitive data of an entire country.
 
Regarding ATC - here's a reminder of Musk "moving fast (er, stopping?) and breaking things" in the self-driving car world:

"Self-Driving" Tesla causes pile-up

Sure, before he went off the deep end, he oversaw / drove a lot of great work (Space X has done amazing things, for example). Hopefully, those running things can keep them moving forward (or Musk can get his focus back on them, and off our personal info.)
 
Roller said:
Russia as a nation makes less than the state of Texas
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Well... Don't let that statistic fool you into believing there isn't a LOT of money in Russia. It's just in the hands of Putin and the oligarchs, not in the government coffers.
 
Ed Haywood said:
Do you have evidence that DOGE is accessing classified systems such as SIPR, JWICS, etc? Otherwise, your security clearance (and mine) are irrelevant.
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Data does not have to be marked Classified for its unauthorized disclosure to harm individuals, companies, or the county. Nor is data marked as Classified the only category that requires a clearance to access.
 
Well, we can all burn down the phone lines at Dept. of Transportation. It's not without precedent.
 
Baked Potato said:
Data does not have to be marked classified for its unauthorized disclosure to harm individuals, companies, or the county. Nor is data marked as classified the only category that requires a clearance to access.
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Can we stick to the topic on hand? Maybe start a different thread for all the sky is falling stuff not related to airspace?
 
AKiss20 said:
It’s a bunch of 25 year old cryptobros running that stuff. Move fast and break things mentality combined with an over inflated sense of skill and ego. Absolutely nothing can go wrong there when dealing with the sensitive data of an entire country.
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Right, because the owner of SpaceX, Tesla, and Twitter/X does not have access to top software talent. And the federal government is renowned for hiring the best and brightest of the IT world.
 
Roller said:
Why would I trust some a random IT guy over a random dodge IT guy?
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One is vetted with a background check. The other one was just brought in by a temp government employee with no connection or background to the gov.

And by "government" I mean the worker bees that keep things going. Not the political hacks that are in it for the money and power. (Usually both sides, only occasionally is there a good one that comes along.)
 
Ed Haywood said:
Do you have evidence that DOGE is accessing classified systems such as SIPR, JWICS, etc? Otherwise, your security clearance (and mine) are irrelevant.
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from bloomberg:

On Saturday, the standoff centered on access to a secure room that’s designed for reviewing classified and sensitive information. Called a “secure compartmented information facility,” or SCIF, the room on the second floor of the Reagan Building houses some of USAID’s most sensitive documents and personnel information. While the personnel documents they were seeking are not classified, according to people familiar with them, entry to the SCIF requires a top secret/sensitive compartmented information security clearance. It’s unclear whether the DOGE team held security clearances at that level.

“No classified material was accessed without proper security clearances,” wrote Katie Miller, who Trump has attached to DOGE, in a post on X Sunday. She didn’t respond to a request for comment sent to her LinkedIn account.

So looks like they got into a SCIF (but article is a bit vague). "Didn't access info" while not in there. Yeah, right. If they got in, everything in there is compromised.
 
TonyG said:
Regarding ATC - here's a reminder of Musk "moving fast (er, stopping?) and breaking things" in the self-driving car world:

"Self-Driving" Tesla causes pile-up
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I see it slowing to a stop and then being rear-ended for no reason by a car being driven by a human being who wasn't paying attention. And non-self-driving cars break down on the road all the time. What does this have to do with Musk?
 
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