How much did poor training contribute to this accident?

Larry Korona said:
The dude ran out of fuel and crashed on his solo x-country, what other red flags do you need?
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I mean there’s ATPs that run their jets into other jets while taxiing. Are you suggesting those ATPs have their certificates revoked? Even then, nothing stops them from re-applying after a waiting period.
 
TCABM said:
I mean there’s ATPs that run their jets into other jets while taxiing. Are you suggesting those ATPs have their certificates revoked? Even then, nothing stops them from re-applying after a waiting period.
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Completely different situation. The guy was in primary training, should have done a full and extensive flight plan (including alternates) with a full weather briefing and fuel burn plan monitored at each waypoint. Also to be drilled into your brain to seek an out by using your alternates if anything happens that throws your plan out the window. That's the way I went through training. BTW I'm sure that ATP would be disciplined as I've found that when $$ is involved with any missteps heads are going to roll
 
Larry Korona said:
Completely different situation. The guy was in primary training, should have done a full and extensive flight plan (including alternates) with a full weather briefing and fuel burn plan monitored at each waypoint. Also to be drilled into your brain to seek an out by using your alternates if anything happens that throws your plan out the window. That's the way I went through training. BTW I'm sure that ATP would be disciplined as I've found that when $$ is involved with any missteps heads are going to roll
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So you’re position is the mishap pilot’s student pilot cert should have been revoked and never re-issued because that first incident foreshadowed an inability to learn?
 
TCABM said:
So your position is the mishap pilot’s student pilot cert should have been revoked and never re-issued because that first incident foreshadowed an inability to learn?
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Way off from what I'm saying. Nothing about revoking rather proper re-training and closer supervision. Once the check ride is done it's too late in the game to introduce good behavior and habits. Somehow this guy made it passed all the way through the system with this inherent lack of knowledge and respect for the responsibility of being a PIC.
 
TCABM said:
So you’re position is the mishap pilot’s student pilot cert should have been revoked and never re-issued because that first incident foreshadowed an inability to learn?
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Would you rent your airplane to this guy knowing his history if you were the owner of the company?
 
Larry Korona said:
Way off from what I'm saying. Nothing about revoking rather proper re-training and closer supervision. Once the check ride is done it's too late in the game to introduce good behavior and habits. Somehow this guy made it passed all the way through the system with this inherent lack of knowledge and respect for the responsibility of being a PIC.
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So how do you define “proper re-training and closer supervision” and then implement it?

Solo means solo; the CFI can’t ride along unless you’re suggesting the commercial PDPIC carveout be applied to the private cert.
 
Larry Korona said:
Would you rent your airplane to this guy knowing his history if you were the owner of the company?
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Why not? The airplane is insured and the pilot held valid certificates.

Hindsight’s always 20/20.
 
MauleSkinner said:
We now have that proof, so I’m guessing no CFI will sign him off anymore, nor will any DPE give him a checkride.
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Problem solved, problem staying solved.

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Not that many moons ago I had an MEI transition student who took a phone call in a 45 degree banked turn at 3,500 ft.
I took the aircraft and returned to base.
On rollout, I told him, "you need to find a new CFI".
"Why is that?" sez he.
"Because I am never going to sign you off" and I sent him on his way.
 
bbchien said:
Not that many moons ago I had an MEI transition student who took a phone call in a 45 degree banked turn at 3,500 ft.
I took the aircraft and returned to base.
On rollout, I told him, "you need to find a new CFI".
"Why is that?" sez he.
"Because I am never going to sign you off" and I sent him on his way.
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Well at least he wasn't inverted.....
 
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