Outstanding score, congratulations. On the idea of doing flight reviews at fly-ins, remember the minimum time is an hour of ground and an hour in the air, so maybe fly-ins aren't the best time to try a review. I encourage my contacts to do the WINGS program. It saves them time and money and gives them a checklist of maneuvers to do with a CFI.View attachment 134489
I’m proud that I passed my Flight Instructor Airplane written exam today. Looking forward to providing some flight reviews at future fly-in’s.
Nicely done. Any tips for aspiring applicants? I had an easy time with prior knowledge tests but for some reason I am not getting my brain shifted into gear for the FOI and FIA tests.View attachment 134489
I’m proud that I passed my Flight Instructor Airplane written exam today. Looking forward to providing some flight reviews at future fly-in’s.
I fought the FOI until it finally “clicked”. And I realized it’s the cheat code for the human mind, it seems.Nicely done. Any tips for aspiring applicants? I had an easy time with prior knowledge tests but for some reason I am not getting my brain shifted into gear for the FOI and FIA tests.
Nicely done. Any tips for aspiring applicants? I had an easy time with prior knowledge tests but for some reason I am not getting my brain shifted into gear for the FOI and FIA tests.
I think that part of my mental hurdle with the FOI is that these two questions summarize the test:I fought the FOI until it finally “clicked”. And I realized it’s the cheat code for the human mind, it seems.
It’s really dry, until the moment it’s not. And then you can geek on it.
The FIA test is really just the commercial written with 20% bonus material.
I feel you're taking an unnecessarily dim, self-destructing attitude towards this. You haven't seen the benefit, and the big picture of FOI hasn't come together for you.I think that part of my mental hurdle with the FOI is that these two questions summarize the test:
Actual FOI question: What is the worst way to learn anything? Correct answer: Rote memorization.
All FOI questions: What is the only way to pass this test? Correct answer: Rote memorization of what magic words / jargon the FAA wants you to use for the concepts mentioned in the rest of the test.
If you know of a good way to study for it that isn't rote memorization and/or getting a degree in education, please let me know.
Your stated feeling is probably a fair response to my hyperbolic post, but isn't borne out in reality. My day job involves teaching complicated things to barely-willing students. Understanding how people learn is a very big part of what I do. And I'm reasonably good at my job. What I do lack is formal instruction on the methods and terminology that the FAA wants me to understand and use both with learners and on the FOI written test.I feel you're taking an unnecessarily dim, self-destructing attitude towards this. You haven't seen the benefit, and the big picture of FOI hasn't come together for you.
The FOI really is a type of equivalency for a teaching certificate, so the "degree in education" sorta rings true.
Are you using Sheppard, or similar, for basic rote memorization, or are you reading the Instructor's Handbook (FAA-H-8083-9B)?
Your stated feeling is probably a fair response to my hyperbolic post, but isn't borne out in reality. My day job involves teaching complicated things to barely-willing students. Understanding how people learn is a very big part of what I do. And I'm reasonably good at my job. What I do lack is formal instruction on the methods and terminology that the FAA wants me to understand and use both with learners and on the FOI written test.
It's been a while since I've had time to study with any regularity due to how quickly life has gone by since late 2021 when I was originally going to make a go at it (I'm trying to rectify that this fall and winter, thus my threadjacking @mandm's timely thread, sorry!) I think that the prep books I have on the shelf are from ASA. I have read the FAA Instructor's Handbook but should definitely do so again now that I'm basically starting over. I'm all ears for additional tools to learn this stuff correctly. Books, videos, ground schools, whatever works.
The FOI is close enough to a teaching license that people with the latter are exempt from the former. I don't recall the exact rule on that, but recall there being one. And as much as I'd like to go back to college to get another degree, I can't afford that much time off work and would probably accidentally get a degree in classical studies or math instead of education.
Totally agree. But you’re right, all of a sudden it clicked, and it became apparent that it was applicable to a lot more than flying. It could also be called “the psychology of teaching and learning” or numerous other things, but FOI is apt. I just think we tend to pigeon-hole it into Fundamentals of (Flight) Instruction and while it is geared toward that specifically, it has much broader implications and can be a gateway to a lot more.I fought the FOI until it finally “clicked”. And I realized it’s the cheat code for the human mind, it seems.
It’s really dry, until the moment it’s not. And then you can geek on it.
So…what can you tell me about “traditional assessments”?
I think it's a bad idea to get 100% on a written test. Now the examiner is going to really try to stump you!One more
Generally speaking, it doesn’t take a lot of effort to stump an applicant.I think it's a bad idea to get 100% on a written test. Now the examiner is going to really try to stump you!
Don’t worry I have plenty of weaknesses.I think it's a bad idea to get 100% on a written test. Now the examiner is going to really try to stump you!
When he said fly-ins, I assumed he’s referring to PoA events like Gaston’s, Rough River, and 6Y9, which are multi-day affairs. More than enough time to accomplish a Flight Review or IPC.Outstanding score, congratulations. On the idea of doing flight reviews at fly-ins, remember the minimum time is an hour of ground and an hour in the air, so maybe fly-ins aren't the best time to try a review. I encourage my contacts to do the WINGS program. It saves them time and money and gives them a checklist of maneuvers to do with a CFI.
I need to check the ACS but we definitely talk airplanes more than one hour on those weekends.When he said fly-ins, I assumed he’s referring to PoA events like Gaston’s, Rough River, and 6Y9, which are multi-day affairs. More than enough time to accomplish a Flight Review or IPC.
It's more than talking about airplanes for a hour. "The review must include: (1) A review of the current general operating and flight rules of Part 91...."I need to check the ACS but we definitely talk airplanes more than one hour on those weekends.
Current flight or ground instructorsYour stated feeling is probably a fair response to my hyperbolic post, but isn't borne out in reality. My day job involves teaching complicated things to barely-willing students. Understanding how people learn is a very big part of what I do. And I'm reasonably good at my job. What I do lack is formal instruction on the methods and terminology that the FAA wants me to understand and use both with learners and on the FOI written test.
It's been a while since I've had time to study with any regularity due to how quickly life has gone by since late 2021 when I was originally going to make a go at it (I'm trying to rectify that this fall and winter, thus my threadjacking @mandm's timely thread, sorry!) I think that the prep books I have on the shelf are from ASA. I have read the FAA Instructor's Handbook but should definitely do so again now that I'm basically starting over. I'm all ears for additional tools to learn this stuff correctly. Books, videos, ground schools, whatever works.
The FOI is close enough to a teaching license that people with the latter are exempt from the former. I don't recall the exact rule on that, but recall there being one. And as much as I'd like to go back to college to get another degree, I can't afford that much time off work and would probably accidentally get a degree in classical studies or math instead of education.