Alec Baldwin shoots and kills cinematographer.

Lindberg said:
Holy ****, Baldwin is a SEAL?
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I hate to break it to you, but neither is Bradley Cooper.
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Maybe you're all eagerly awaiting our future dystopia where AI is able to generate entire movies for us that don't need real actors or props so that this whole thing can be avoided. But I still question the assertion that no actor should ever point a gun at other cameras/actors, when it's been done on controlled sets, probably millions of times, for a century.
 
Baked Potato said:
I hate to break it to you, but neither is Bradley Cooper.
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That rifle isn't pointed at anyone.
Baked Potato said:
Maybe you're all eagerly awaiting our future dystopia where AI is able to generate entire movies for us that don't need real actors or props so that this whole thing can be avoided. But I still question the assertion that no actor should ever point a gun at other cameras/actors, when it's been done on controlled sets, probably millions of times, for a century.
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It really hasn't, and that's been thoroughly covered in this thread.
 
Lindberg said:
That rifle isn't pointed at anyone.
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Dude, besides the point. Fine:
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What rules are Keanu breaking here?

Also, here's the guy that directed Bradley Cooper in American Sniper:
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there is no difference between pointing a functional gun at someone and pointing a rubber prop gun, eh?
 
Ghery said:
Regardless of the legalities involved, he was guilty of violating two rules with regard to safe handling of firearms that I learned as a youngster (decades ago). The first is that there is no such thing as an empty gun. The second is to never point a gun at anyone and anything you are not willing to kill or destroy. He may have skated from a legal point of view, but he is still guilty of mishandling a firearm and as a result an innocent person is dead.
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The NRA rules, while essential to know and follow are not LAW.

I too thought the idea of Baldwin being directly responsible for the death and wounding was a stretch. His culpability as a producer in setting the work conditions and the set's overall approach to safety was more problematic to me.

In my mind Baldwin's sin was his obvious lie. Of course he pulled the trigger! Guns do not fire unless the trigger is pulled.
 
A lot of "cheating" going on in Clint Eastwood movies!
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Just from that relatively clear bottom picture above, that appears to be a cap and ball revolver, has no caps, and the hammer is down. Since it is single action, even pulling the trigger will not cause a hammer fall.

This is a fine example of how a real, safe, movie is made. The actor himself can determine that the gun is un fireable. Forget the nitpicking viewers such as my self who see the discrepancy. A good movie is important, but all the participants alive and well at the end is more important.
 
geezer said:
A lot of "cheating" going on in Clint Eastwood movies!
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Just from that relatively clear bottom picture above, that appears to be a cap and ball revolver, has no caps, and the hammer is down. Since it is single action, even pulling the trigger will not cause a hammer fall.

This is a fine example of how a real, safe, movie is made. The actor himself can determine that the gun is un fireable. Forget the nitpicking viewers such as my self who see the discrepancy. A good movie is important, but all the participants alive and well at the end is more important.
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Correct - they are not "rubber". And this is all tangential to my original post where I was differentiating people like me, who will never point a firearm at another person, from actors, who will.
 
Gotta love monkey-see, monkey-do

I’m kind of hoping people have learned from the mistakes made in the past
 
wanttaja said:
Not a lawyer, either, but I don't really think this is a double jeopardy situation. The jury being sworn in is either here nor there. If the trial ends in a hung jury or the judge declares a mistrial, the original jurors are dismissed and the case is re-tried in front of a brand-new jury. No double jeopardy until a jury finds him or her guilty or not guilty....
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At the 4:25 mark in the video I posted of the judge's explanation of the dismissal, she stated "The jury has been sworn, jeopardy has attached."
 
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weilke said:
This was a low budget production.They didn't even pay the armorer to work through all the production days when firearms were being used. Some of the days she was paid as a prop assistant.
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Veteran armorer turned down 'Rust' job over 'red flags'​


 
Rust is supposed to have its first showing this month. Saw the announcement on CNN tonight. :crazy:
 
Separate criticism of the whole concept of that movie.

Rust took place in Missouri, and I have flown and driven all over that state. It is green everywhere it has not been developed in modern times.

How could a desert site in Aridzona, intentional spelling, reasonably depict Missouri? Nothing at the filming site can in any way resemble what and where the events took place. We should expect that the facts of the story are equally distorted to make a more exciting movie.

The lead actor gets to pick any gun and holster he wants, he picks a cross draw one, even though that was a rare or non existent device in those days,

Either they ignored the facts available from period reporting, or there was so very little that they mostly invented the story in a manner that would be the least cost to make, and suitably exciting.

Bonus for the less morally grounded of potential viewers, will they be able to pick out the actual scene where she was shot? I already know a couple of people who are wondering if they will see that famous event when they see the movie. Notice that I did not say "friends".

No personal intention of viewing on any media.
 
I don't know why it would feel creepy. I still watch movies with Audie Murphy and he killed a few folks.

More like he became a movie star because he killed a few folks.
 
geezer said:
Separate criticism of the whole concept of that movie.

Rust took place in Missouri, and I have flown and driven all over that state. It is green everywhere it has not been developed in modern times.

How could a desert site in Aridzona, intentional spelling, reasonably depict Missouri? Nothing at the filming site can in any way resemble what and where the events took place. We should expect that the facts of the story are equally distorted to make a more exciting movie....
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Reminds me of the Smallville TV series (about Superman's teen years). I'm guessing that mountainous British Columbia doesn't look much like Kansas.
 
Zeldman said:
I don't know why it would feel creepy. I still watch movies with Audie Murphy and he killed a few folks.

More like he became a movie star because he killed a few folks.
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Probably the most decorated soldier in history, certainly in WWII, and everybody he killed needed killing. Amazingly impressive man, gone much too soon thanks to a non-instrument pilot taking him into IMC.
 
geezer said:
Separate criticism of the whole concept of that movie.

Rust took place in Missouri, and I have flown and driven all over that state. It is green everywhere it has not been developed in modern times.

How could a desert site in Aridzona, intentional spelling, reasonably depict Missouri? Nothing at the filming site can in any way resemble what and where the events took place. We should expect that the facts of the story are equally distorted to make a more exciting movie.

The lead actor gets to pick any gun and holster he wants, he picks a cross draw one, even though that was a rare or non existent device in those days,

Either they ignored the facts available from period reporting, or there was so very little that they mostly invented the story in a manner that would be the least cost to make, and suitably exciting.

Bonus for the less morally grounded of potential viewers, will they be able to pick out the actual scene where she was shot? I already know a couple of people who are wondering if they will see that famous event when they see the movie. Notice that I did not say "friends".

No personal intention of viewing on any media.
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Like most Hollywood movies, historical accuracy was not the intent. Revenue was the intent. And no, I won't see it. In fact, I won't see any Baldwin films until they make one where the cinematographers are allowed to shoot at him without facing jail.
 
Palmpilot said:
Reminds me of the Smallville TV series (about Superman's teen years). I'm guessing that mountainous British Columbia doesn't look much like Kansas.
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As a kid, I remember watching an episode of the original "The Fugitive" supposedly set in my home town.

Showed snow-capped mountains in the background. In Fargo, North Dakota.

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Palmpilot said:
Reminds me of the Smallville TV series (about Superman's teen years). I'm guessing that mountainous British Columbia doesn't look much like Kansas.
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I dunno…I’ve bicycled in Kansas…sure seems like mountains sometimes! :rofl:
 
“The Day After” was filmed in my town in KS so the background scenery was geographically correct. I watched them film a few scenes and it was interesting to see them later.

But when it aired it didn’t take long for us to point out things like, “Hey! They said the are headed to XXX, that’s East! That road they are on runs N/S!”

I can suspend my disbelief for a lot of things. But seeing snow capped mountains in Kansas is a little tough.
 
I don't remember the title to the movie, but it was supposed to have taken place in Sleetmute, Alaska. Which is a little Eskimo fishing village on the banks of the Kuskokwim River in southwest Alaska. The population the last time I was there, (1998) was approx 100 people. However in the movie the town had paved roads with traffic lights, 5 story buildings and fairly new cars on the roads. And no Eskimo people...

The movie was a craptacular buster. At least they spelled Alaska correctly...
 
Zeldman said:
I don't remember the title to the movie, but it was supposed to have taken place in Sleetmute, Alaska. Which is a little Eskimo fishing village on the banks of the Kuskokwim River in southwest Alaska. The population the last time I was there, (1998) was approx 100 people. However in the movie the town had paved roads with traffic lights, 5 story buildings and fairly new cars on the roads. And no Eskimo people...

The movie was a craptacular buster. At least they spelled Alaska correctly...
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Was that "Insomnia"?
 
StraightnLevel said:
Was that "Insomnia"?
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THAT'S IT.!!!!


And it is set in Nightmute, AK not Sleetmute. Not like there is much difference in the two villages.

Such a crappy movie I totally forgot Al Pacino and Robin Williams was in it. So forgettable that it took a kick in the head to even remember it.

I think it was one of the movies shown on red eye flight between Anchorage and Houston back in the Continental Airline days.
 
Zeldman said:
THAT'S IT.!!!!


And it is set in Nightmute, AK not Sleetmute. Not like there is much difference in the two villages.

Such a crappy movie I totally forgot Al Pacino and Robin Williams was in it. So forgettable that it took a kick in the head to even remember it.

I think it was one of the movies shown on red eye flight between Anchorage and Houston back in the Continental Airline days.
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That movie had so much potential and was so bad.
 
Zeldman said:
And at first he was rejected by the Army, Navy and Marine Corps for being underweight and underage.
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If I remember it right, who he became was related to a German soldier who was pretending to surrender, and then killed Murphy's friend. If I have the story/interview right in my head, at that moment he put his carbine to his shoulder and walked toward the group of enemy soldiers like a normal person would play a game of sporting clays. Became a more effective and real life version of John Wick and the Taken guy combined. After the war had trouble with PTSD and became one of the first people to speak out about PTSD. On Hollywood, he said he went there because he had noplace else to go.

I have no plans to see the baldwin movie. I do want to see the Murphy movie that also has Maudlin in it.
 
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