I'm 19 wanting to get into aviation. I love flying buy I don't really want to move to a different state. Is there any pilots in missouri? If so what airlines do you recommend? I was thinking maybe shooting for net jets or something like that with a 7/7 schedule. I dont want to spend 100k on training to never be able to get a career in missouri.
Airline pilots in missouri
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There is a great big world outside Missouri. One of the absolutely best things you can do for yourself is move to an entirely new place.
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To get a job you will need flight hours. To get flight hours you will move to build hours until you get the hours where you qualify to get a job where you want to live.
I went from Texas to Florida to Oklahoma to North Carolina to West Virginia to Alaska and now live in New Mexico.
I went from Texas to Florida to Oklahoma to North Carolina to West Virginia to Alaska and now live in New Mexico.
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You can absolutely do everything you want from there…. But…
Best thing is to fly SOME… enough to know if you like it enough to maybe wander out to get time efficiently, or if you just wanna stay local and maybe instruct, find a local corporate/135 job, maybe agriculture flying?
You don’t know what you don’t know at this point. Don’t limit aspirations, don’t put all your hopes into one basket when there are baskets you don’t even know exist. You may not even like flying…
Baby steps. But yes, there are major airline pilots EVERYWHERE. There are lots of other GOOD flying jobs that can be done from there. There are good flying jobs THERE.
Best thing is to fly SOME… enough to know if you like it enough to maybe wander out to get time efficiently, or if you just wanna stay local and maybe instruct, find a local corporate/135 job, maybe agriculture flying?
You don’t know what you don’t know at this point. Don’t limit aspirations, don’t put all your hopes into one basket when there are baskets you don’t even know exist. You may not even like flying…
Baby steps. But yes, there are major airline pilots EVERYWHERE. There are lots of other GOOD flying jobs that can be done from there. There are good flying jobs THERE.
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As a Missouri person, I know quite a few professionals who live here. Lots of opportunities just like anywhere.
I just have a lot of family here in missouri and don't wanna leave everyone
What would you recommend I do?
What flying jobs do you recommend? I don't want to leave all my family. But I also want to have time to do other things I love like going utv riding and stuff like that. I just think that flying is fun and would love to do it as a career. Travel the country/ world. Id just think I'd like a 7/7 or like 2 weeks on 2 odd schedule. Agriculture fly would interest me if it wasn't for the amount of people that die here in the mid west from it a year. I have an uncle that's a plane mechanic and he gets to clean up all the wrecks over in Kansas.
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Well, that’s where just starting flying lessons locally is gonna expose you to local flying.
Can also get an account to Climbto350 and start looking at jobs that specify “no relocation necessary”.
Most part 121 jobs don’t REQUIRE relocation, but you gotta get yourself there and back, but with the credentials those jobs have, you have access to most all jump seats and some stand by seats.
And then there’s jobs that literally will fly you to and from work.
So go dip your feet in the pool!
Can also get an account to Climbto350 and start looking at jobs that specify “no relocation necessary”.
Most part 121 jobs don’t REQUIRE relocation, but you gotta get yourself there and back, but with the credentials those jobs have, you have access to most all jump seats and some stand by seats.
And then there’s jobs that literally will fly you to and from work.
So go dip your feet in the pool!
I'm just worried to spend 100k on flight school and never be able to get a job then stuck with the debt and no way to pay it back
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Where in MO do you live, if you're in the boondocks hours from a major metropolitan area then opportunities will be limited.
You have to live at least near one of the major cities for jobs or to be able to commute.
You have to live at least near one of the major cities for jobs or to be able to commute.
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The first thing you need to is find out if you can get a First Class medical certificate. No First Class, no flying people in First Class.
I live about an 1.5hrs from kci about 1.5 hrs from springfield and about 2hrs from joplin
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Collins? Boliver?
Little town called appleton city
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Figure it this way: go where the job takes you and give your family the opportunity to travel and visit.
You’re 19, there’s a whole world of adventure out there.
Even if you expand your radius to a 5 hr drive you open up a whole lot of area and can still make it back for weekends or days off.
You’re 19, there’s a whole world of adventure out there.
Even if you expand your radius to a 5 hr drive you open up a whole lot of area and can still make it back for weekends or days off.
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I know where that is. Where would you fly out of?
Idk kci is pretty close I know net jets says they fly out of there I don't mind moving some just don't want to be states away
Okay thanks
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M17 (Bolivar) used to be pretty active. I’ve got a friend who instructs @ H17 (Buffalo) i could put u in touch if it’s not to far.
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Sure if you could! That would be great to be able to talk to someone local
I mean, if you became a pilot they've got these things that go through the air that travel vast distances in a short amount of time
I have family that wouldn't step foot on a plane... even if it chained to the ground like I said if possible I'd like to get like a 7/7 jobs are there any of those around that are good?
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1) Airlines- about 1/2 the folks at our airline commute. One flight attendant that I know of actually lives in Spain.
Not always an easy thing to do, but many thousands make it work.
2) Local corporate- if you are lucky enough to have corporate pilot jobs in your area,,,,…
3) Netjers style- basically live where you want, with some restrictions.
4) Smaller type local jobs- Ag, CFI, etc…
If you don’t want to be away from home, aviation may not be the job for you.
In the last 30 years of my life, I have spent roughly 15 years living in hotels on the road.
Not always an easy thing to do, but many thousands make it work.
2) Local corporate- if you are lucky enough to have corporate pilot jobs in your area,,,,…
3) Netjers style- basically live where you want, with some restrictions.
4) Smaller type local jobs- Ag, CFI, etc…
If you don’t want to be away from home, aviation may not be the job for you.
In the last 30 years of my life, I have spent roughly 15 years living in hotels on the road.
It's not that I don't want to be away from home... but I don't want to never be home. If I only get to see my family once- twice a month
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Plane Sense is 7/7 and has a Kansas City base, which you said you are within 2 hours of. I believe MCI is also a base for NetJets & FlexJets. I know pilots for Southwest that commutted from MCI to Chicago & Denver. MCI is also an easy commute for other airlines.
The most important thing has already been said which is get a First Class Medical and take lessons. Bottom line being within 2 hours of MCI you won't have to move to work for a Fractional or an Airline.
I'm 19 I have a auto loan right now which I'm paying off pretty quick. After I get it paid off I plan to go through with all this. Is southwest a 7/7?
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I don't know how up-to-date it is but ATP has a Domicile Map. It looks like Cape Air and Plane Sense are in Missouri. Use it as a springboard to do more research: https://secure.atpflightschool.com/become-a-pilot/pilot-jobs/airline-domiciles
That site helped me realize that if I ever wanted to fly for a carrier I could live in base with Republic (at KPIT) so I have found it useful.
That site helped me realize that if I ever wanted to fly for a carrier I could live in base with Republic (at KPIT) so I have found it useful.
Unless you get a job flying local like AG spraying then you will be away from home a lot with a career in aviation.
My friend has been flying since he was 16 and got his PPL when he turned 17. He started like everyone else as a CFII.
He then flew many small planes delivering all kinds of stuff like photo film, cancelled checks general small freight etc. He said he would sleep for a few hours in pilot lounges and get back out there. After approx 15 years he got on with Delta's Comair as a FO. Then 20 some years ago he got hired at Southwest as a FO, he has now been a Captain for 22 years with them. In the last 6 years he has been a check airmen and now a standards check airmen and spends most of his time at Love field giving checkrides. He spent 4-5 years in between covid helping to develop a new training program for Southwest. He is gone for 2 weeks at a time. He is probably only home 6 days a month. He still flys 737s just enough to stay current. He is in the top 18% in seniority so he can mostly pick his flights that he wants.
But finally after all these years he is now making big bucks he tells me. Southwest pilots got a new contract that substantially raised their pay. He was not doing bad before the new contract but now he is truly making real good money. He earned it. He loves aviation and wants to fly even in my 172 when he comes home for 18-36 hours. His Arrow sit's in a hangar next to mine. I have a key to it help maintain his hangar and his plane while he is gone.
It's a tough life in my eyes but he truly loves aviation so he is used to sleeping in hotels and crash houses all around the country.
He has a 20 something daughter that keeps him in his home here in N Ky that is married and very successful on her way to become a doctor. Him and his ex SW flight attendant wife got divoursed 6-7 years ago. Hard to stay married when your gone a lot I think?
Good luck to ya.
My friend has been flying since he was 16 and got his PPL when he turned 17. He started like everyone else as a CFII.
He then flew many small planes delivering all kinds of stuff like photo film, cancelled checks general small freight etc. He said he would sleep for a few hours in pilot lounges and get back out there. After approx 15 years he got on with Delta's Comair as a FO. Then 20 some years ago he got hired at Southwest as a FO, he has now been a Captain for 22 years with them. In the last 6 years he has been a check airmen and now a standards check airmen and spends most of his time at Love field giving checkrides. He spent 4-5 years in between covid helping to develop a new training program for Southwest. He is gone for 2 weeks at a time. He is probably only home 6 days a month. He still flys 737s just enough to stay current. He is in the top 18% in seniority so he can mostly pick his flights that he wants.
But finally after all these years he is now making big bucks he tells me. Southwest pilots got a new contract that substantially raised their pay. He was not doing bad before the new contract but now he is truly making real good money. He earned it. He loves aviation and wants to fly even in my 172 when he comes home for 18-36 hours. His Arrow sit's in a hangar next to mine. I have a key to it help maintain his hangar and his plane while he is gone.
It's a tough life in my eyes but he truly loves aviation so he is used to sleeping in hotels and crash houses all around the country.
He has a 20 something daughter that keeps him in his home here in N Ky that is married and very successful on her way to become a doctor. Him and his ex SW flight attendant wife got divoursed 6-7 years ago. Hard to stay married when your gone a lot I think?
Good luck to ya.
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Like I said I wouldn't mind being gone some I just don't want to only get 2 days a month to spend with family and do other things...
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I used to live in Texas and worked in Alaska on 20/10 or 15/15 schedules, and jump seated between College Station, Tx to Alaska every month. Great times, but I was a young man then.
I have heard some places in Alaska have 10 on, 20 off schedules now.
Do you recommend that? I wouldn't mind that either 15/15 isn't bad I don't mind being gone 2 weeks but I don't want to be gone 2 weeks home 1 day gone 2 weeks againI used to live in Texas and worked in Alaska on 20/10 or 15/15 schedules, and jump seated between College Station, Tx to Alaska every month. Great times, but I was a young man then.
I have heard some places in Alaska have 10 on, 20 off schedules now.
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I will be truthful, it is not easy. It is hard work. You won't start out in the right seat of a Airbus or Boeing. You will start out in a Cessna 206 or C-207. It can get cold in winter but that doesn't stop the airplanes. Flying is about 25% of the job. There is loading/unloading planes, fueling, sweating out weather (even in the cold). You will work in the rain in the very short summer, and in the snow during winter. Being a team player and working to help other pilots do their job is very beneficial. Living conditions can be a little rustic. I spent one summer living in a storage shed without heat, water or electricity. Days are usually 14 hours long to get 7-8 hours of flight time, or none at all. Flights can be a short as 15 minutes, or as long as 3.5 hours, depending on fuel and load needing to go. You will be expected to fly in less than marginal weather. The joke was, If the weather is good we fly VFR. If the weather is bad we fly IFR. If the weather is really bad we fly PFVR. That is we pretend it is VFR and go anyway.
It is a totally different lifestyle. You will adapt or you will go home. The Eskimo people have lived like this for 10,000 years and you will not change them.
Then again I thrived on the living conditions and hard work. I really enjoyed living/working around the Eskimo people. They are hard working, fun loving people. It was very satisfying to me to be accepted by the Eskimo.
I met several pilots in Alaska that were just building time, and those folks eventually moved on to an airline. They started out with a year or 2 of flight instructing, then went to Alaska for another year or 2, then on to turbine jobs or regionals and eventually to an airline. So it is a start in the career ladder that can lead to where you want to be.
Larry in TN
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You've mentioned debt more than once.
I'm a 58-year old who has been an airline pilot since 1990. Stop borrowing money. Debt will rob your peace and prevent you from eventually building wealth. I did it without any non-mortgage debt and without rich parents. You can, too.
US Passenger airlines do not have a 7/7 schedule because 14 CFR 117 requires 30 consecutive hours free from duty in the past 168 hours at the time that you begin a flight duty period. Domestic trips are generally up to 4 days long but you can have trips, and reserve blocks, up to six days long. International can have longer blocks.
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You’ve said that several times now. At 19, you’ve got 4 years until you’re eligible to even apply for the FAA certificate needed to fly for an airline.
You can go $100K into debt at one of the zero to hero schools and only have 17% of the flight hours required to be eligible for that certificate but hopefully you’ll be qualified for entry level jobs such as flight instructing or aerial survey or such. Hopefully they pay enough to make your monthly loan payment because if they don’t, you’ll be pulling down a second job to make ends meet.
It won’t matter if you live at home because you won’t ever be home long enough to do something other than sleep.
You could look at the MO ANG. Do something like be a oadmaster on C-130s at St Joseph and fly as aircrew or work on the B-2s at Whiteman, get plenty of education benefits, and apply for one of their pilot slots when it comes open, then get paid to learn to fly, have a job when your done with training, and have a pretty easy transition to an whatever other non-military flying job you want. None of that is out of pocket. But only take that path is you want to serve.
You could also go to SEMO and get your degree while getting the pro-pilot credentials. Probably cost more than a zero to hero, but you’ll likely need a degree to get to a major airline anyways.
You could also spend the next four years paying as you go at the local airfield, getting your ratings, and building time for about 1/3d to 1/2 the cost of the zero to hero program where you will also be networking with other local pilots that can help you get into the local pro pilot gigs.
You’ll have to decide if any of those routes are suitable to you; like everyone else, it’s a matter of what matters to you. Pretty much anything is possible depending what your priorities are. Those things that may be important to you many limit your opportunities, but you won’t know until you start talking to people who are actually doing it.
Larry in TN
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One more thing about student loan debt...
Right now, many Americans, and many American politicians, are in favor of student loan "forgiveness". I put that in quotes because the loan is not forgiven, it is paid for with other people's (taxpayers) money.
Supporters say this is necessary because student loan debt hurts the economy, it increases racial inequity, it prevents young adults from buying a home, starting families, and saving for retirement, and it is unfair that student load debt can not be discharged in bankruptcy as can other debt.
So, why does the government continue guaranteeing new student loans?
Right now, many Americans, and many American politicians, are in favor of student loan "forgiveness". I put that in quotes because the loan is not forgiven, it is paid for with other people's (taxpayers) money.
Supporters say this is necessary because student loan debt hurts the economy, it increases racial inequity, it prevents young adults from buying a home, starting families, and saving for retirement, and it is unfair that student load debt can not be discharged in bankruptcy as can other debt.
So, why does the government continue guaranteeing new student loans?
Yeah... heat and cold doesn't bother me too much. I worked for a feed lot and we played in water when it was -20 out. Cattle have to have water and it's almost impossible to keep them from freezing up
Everyone keeps saying that every pilot they know doesn't regret their choice. But it seems that's not true at allYou’ve said that several times now. At 19, you’ve got 4 years until you’re eligible to even apply for the FAA certificate needed to fly for an airline.
You can go $100K into debt at one of the zero to hero schools and only have 17% of the flight hours required to be eligible for that certificate but hopefully you’ll be qualified for entry level jobs such as flight instructing or aerial survey or such. Hopefully they pay enough to make your monthly loan payment because if they don’t, you’ll be pulling down a second job to make ends meet.
It won’t matter if you live at home because you won’t ever be home long enough to do something other than sleep.
You could look at the MO ANG. Do something like be a oadmaster on C-130s at St Joseph and fly as aircrew or work on the B-2s at Whiteman, get plenty of education benefits, and apply for one of their pilot slots when it comes open, then get paid to learn to fly, have a job when your done with training, and have a pretty easy transition to an whatever other non-military flying job you want. None of that is out of pocket. But only take that path is you want to serve.
You could also go to SEMO and get your degree while getting the pro-pilot credentials. Probably cost more than a zero to hero, but you’ll likely need a degree to get to a major airline anyways.
You could also spend the next four years paying as you go at the local airfield, getting your ratings, and building time for about 1/3d to 1/2 the cost of the zero to hero program where you will also be networking with other local pilots that can help you get into the local pro pilot gigs.
You’ll have to decide if any of those routes are suitable to you; like everyone else, it’s a matter of what matters to you. Pretty much anything is possible depending what your priorities are. Those things that may be important to you many limit your opportunities, but you won’t know until you start talking to people who are actually doing it.
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I personally know two CFIs that both regret going to ATP both for the cost and the rigid structure.
I’m fairly certain every Part 141 program that advertises a cost is advertising the minimum cost and does not include any of the associated fees for the three, four, five, or six checkrides, your EFB and subscription, etc.