Great article on how Boeing has failed

ateamer said:
ULA/Boeing has been trying and failing for a year or more to launch just this one rocket. SpaceX has launched a dozen crew missions, plus sending up a dozen satellite launches every month. Why is there such a chasm between success and failure?
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I wouldn't blame ULA. The Atlas V has something like a 99% success rate. It's pricier per launch than SpaceX, but has a good track record. The Boeing payload on the other hand...
 
Some interesting facts about the Atlas V. The main booster engine is made in Russia.
It is a capable launch system with a good record, but it's old tech and philosophy. Everything but the payload becomes junk.
Even the Vulcan Centaur, scheduled at some point to replace the Atlas V, becomes junk in just a few minutes. It does ditch the Russian engine though.
Fingers crossed for 05 June.
 
At what point do they decide to return them on a Dragon and bring the starliner back by remote?

Also, didn’t they outsource the service module to another contractor? Or was that the one for Orion?

Edit- it was Orion that uses the European built service module.
 
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Domenick said:
Some interesting facts about the Atlas V. The main booster engine is made in Russia.
It is a capable launch system with a good record, but it's old tech and philosophy. Everything but the payload becomes junk.
Even the Vulcan Centaur, scheduled at some point to replace the Atlas V, becomes junk in just a few minutes. It does ditch the Russian engine though.
Fingers crossed for 05 June.
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Yep, the RD-180s on Atlas V are Russian-made and Russia will (obviously) no longer service the remaining rockets in U.S. inventory. Also why National Security Space Launch Phase III was so important to award - they added Blue Origin as a launch provider there in order to continue to move away from Atlas reliance.
 
Cannot believe the gaslight. Boeing says these guys aren’t stranded on the ISS. I guess it is just an unexpected vacation in space?

www.flyingmag.com

Starliner Astronauts Prepare for Extended ISS Stay

NASA and Boeing representatives on Friday said the crew will not return until additional testing, which may take weeks, is complete.
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It wouldn’t be surprising if on every Space Station mission there is a contingency plan that includes a problem with the return vehicle requiring the trip to be extended. The astronauts probably go up knowing that the mission could be weeks longer than planned. Every time we take off in our planes, it’s with the understanding that a divert might happen due to a squawk or an overnight turns into a couple days due to weather. Same thing in space, right? Just on a grander scale.
 
ateamer said:
It wouldn’t be surprising if on every Space Station mission there is a contingency plan that includes a problem with the return vehicle requiring the trip to be extended. The astronauts probably go up knowing that the mission could be weeks longer than planned. Every time we take off in our planes, it’s with the understanding that a divert might happen due to a squawk or an overnight turns into a couple days due to weather. Same thing in space, right? Just on a grander scale.
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It's my understanding that they have approximately six months of supplies. If Musk hasn't rescued them by then, they default to Donner Party rules.....
 
The column the Accounts forgot to account for was the Credibility column. It used to by everyone went to Boeing because they were the experts and they were trusted as the experts. The thing the 737 Max issues revealed was that Boeing could no longer be trusted as an airplane manufacturer (for whatever the reasons that led to that) and needed oversight. Following issues and investigations only re-enforced the belief they can't be trusted. They had previously been trusted to do things right and had a lot of capital in that trust, i.e. freedom and low cost to do things correctly. Now they need to re-earn (purchase) that Credibility and that will take a long time and a lot of money.
Trust is easy to lose and hard to re-earn.



Brian
 
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