Cirrus chute - all survive

“They were practicing stalls and the plane did not restart.” Right……I doubt they were engine stalls TV guy.
 
That would have been more exciting if they came down on the glass greenhouse roof in the foreground.
 
Just curiosity...
How often has there been an engine out in a Cirrus where the conditions were amenable enough where the pilot elected to land the plane rather than deploy the chute- and were they successful? I know it's the "right thing" to let the insurance company buy the plane, but if an experienced pilot determined there was the "perfect" off-airport spot within gliding distance...would they be crazy to not pop the chute?

Obviously just talking about an engine out with no extenuating circumstances/loss of control.
 
problem is the 78 knot stall speed. hard to survive emergency landing
 
tobnpr said:
Just curiosity...
How often has there been an engine out in a Cirrus where the conditions were amenable enough where the pilot elected to land the plane rather than deploy the chute- and were they successful? I know it's the "right thing" to let the insurance company buy the plane, but if an experienced pilot determined there was the "perfect" off-airport spot within gliding distance...would they be crazy to not pop the chute
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Cirrus makes emergency landing on Highway

****Reposted from another site***** Cirrus SR22, N606MF: Incident occurred November 11, 2016 in Marion County, South Carolina MARION, SC (WBTW) – A single-engine Cirrus plane flying over the Gresham community in Marion County was forced to make an emergency landing on Highway 378...
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Just a reminder…

Landing spots that look pretty decent from the air may not look so great up close.

Cirrus attempting a forced landing west of Miami. From the air:

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Up close:

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Not critiquing that pilot, in that it worked out OK. But it could have been worse.
 
tobnpr said:
Just curiosity...
How often has there been an engine out in a Cirrus where the conditions were amenable enough where the pilot elected to land the plane rather than deploy the chute- and were they successful? I know it's the "right thing" to let the insurance company buy the plane, but if an experienced pilot determined there was the "perfect" off-airport spot within gliding distance...would they be crazy to not pop the chute?

Obviously just talking about an engine out with no extenuating circumstances/loss of control.
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There was one in Australia a few years back.
 
tobnpr said:
Just curiosity...
How often has there been an engine out in a Cirrus where the conditions were amenable enough where the pilot elected to land the plane rather than deploy the chute- and were they successful? I know it's the "right thing" to let the insurance company buy the plane, but if an experienced pilot determined there was the "perfect" off-airport spot within gliding distance...would they be crazy to not pop the chute?

Obviously just talking about an engine out with no extenuating circumstances/loss of control.
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The odds favor pulling the chute. There have been around 200 chute pulls, and I believe one failed chute release. The success of the chute far outweighs the skills of the "average" pilot.

Tim
 
78 seems way high
the 20 stalls in the high 50’s fully configured
 
59 knots is still almost 70 mph. Moving pretty fast into an immovable object is not very good for your health. That's the advantage of the chute.
 
That one looks to be descending in a flater attitude and at a slower rate than other videos of cirrii under chutes I've seen.... maybe I have that wrong...

tobnpr said:
Just curiosity...
How often has there been an engine out in a Cirrus where the conditions were amenable enough where the pilot elected to land the plane rather than deploy the chute- and were they successful? I know it's the "right thing" to let the insurance company buy the plane, but if an experienced pilot determined there was the "perfect" off-airport spot within gliding distance...would they be crazy to not pop the chute?

Obviously just talking about an engine out with no extenuating circumstances/loss of control.
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That's a question I've pondered quite a lot. My guess is that it's one of those questions that is easy to second guess...and triple guess...and quadruple guess...
 
tobnpr said:
How often has there been an engine out in a Cirrus where the conditions were amenable enough where the pilot elected to land the plane rather than deploy the chute- and were they successful? I know it's the "right thing" to let the insurance company buy the plane, but if an experienced pilot determined there was the "perfect" off-airport spot within gliding distance...would they be crazy to not pop the chute?
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Brad W said:
That's a question I've pondered quite a lot. My guess is that it's one of those questions that is easy to second guess...and triple guess...and quadruple guess...
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I would surmise that pulling the chute greatly increases the likelihood of being able to second-guess yourself the next day.

As the question another way: How many pilots have made a safe emergency landing and later told everyone that they were glad that they didn't pull the chute? More or fewer than those who pulled the chute and walked away?
 
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On the bright side - another large-bore Continental has been saved for the used engine market.
 
Isn’t the cirrus advice is to pull the chute for engine out?
 
tobnpr said:
Just curiosity...
How often has there been an engine out in a Cirrus where the conditions were amenable enough where the pilot elected to land the plane rather than deploy the chute- and were they successful? I know it's the "right thing" to let the insurance company buy the plane, but if an experienced pilot determined there was the "perfect" off-airport spot within gliding distance...would they be crazy to not pop the chute?

Obviously just talking about an engine out with no extenuating circumstances/loss of control.
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I know of one that happened over Montana in the early 2000s. SR22 I believe. Engine shat itself in cruise flight. They elected to glide, and made it
 
SebIp said:
Isn’t the cirrus advice is to pull the chute for engine out?
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Not necessarily.

There are - or at least were, my copy of the POH is from 2013 - 3 pages in the POH on possible chute pull scenarios.

The most relevant portion:

Landing Required in Terrain not Permitting a Safe Landing

If a forced landing on an unprepared surface is required CAPS activation is recommended unless the pilot in command concludes there is a high likelihood that a safe landing can be accomplished. If a condition requiring a forced landing occurs over rough or mountainous terrain, over water out of gliding distance to land, over widespread ground fog or at night, CAPS activation is strongly recommended. Numerous fatalities that have occurred in Cirrus aircraft accidents likely could have been avoided if pilots had made the timely decision to deploy CAPS.

The training involves that the pilot simply “considers” CAPS. In emergencies, it became apparent that many pilots “forgot” about CAPS and just proceeded to do with what their prior training had them do in an engine out. It actually happened to me once in a LOC scenario in a simulator, so it CAN happen.

I posted my experience back in 2014: https://www.pilotsofamerica.com/community/threads/cirrus-chute-saves-another-one.67420/#post-1361029
 
tobnpr said:
Just curiosity...
How often has there been an engine out in a Cirrus where the conditions were amenable enough where the pilot elected to land the plane rather than deploy the chute- and were they successful? I know it's the "right thing" to let the insurance company buy the plane, but if an experienced pilot determined there was the "perfect" off-airport spot within gliding distance...would they be crazy to not pop the chute?

Obviously just talking about an engine out with no extenuating circumstances/loss of control.
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Same airport and hangar as the plane I fly

 
Brad W said:
are the airframes a for sure write-off after chute deployment?
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Comes down to cost. The newer the plane, the more likely it will be rebuilt. The work is replace the chute, straps, and fiberglass channels for the straps, left gear usually is replaced, left wingtip usually needs some work. Depending on weight, and other factors, the engine if it was not the cause of the emergency deployment, might also need to be torn down and inspected. Lastly, depending on where the plane lands, there might be other damage.

Tim
 
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