[NA] I don't understand One Drive

ElPaso Pilot said:
Microsoft boggles me.

They somehow left the <ctrl> F find feature out of the New Outlook.

So you can no longer search through an email with 100 addresses to see if Bob was included. Nor any other text search that every basic program since 1983 has been doing.

Here's an official response from the Microsoft forum, that completely misses the point, with the standard user frustration.

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us...ails-new/230f3cb9-0dd1-4b62-b942-506ad0f54f87

Hi,​
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I'm trying New Outlook, I would like to search inside an email for text, and also search for emails in the inbox.​
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I cant see any way of doing these functions.​
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Control-F does nothing.​
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Can you help please ?!​
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Fatima_J Microsoft Agent Moderator
Replied on September 26, 2023
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Thank you for posting to the Microsoft community. ​
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It seems that you wanted to know how to use Find me in searching Emails inside the Inbox or email.​
We understand the importance of this case to be addressed. Allow us to check on this and we’ll assist you in the best way we can.​
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According to what I have researched the “Find Related: Messages in this conversation” feature is missing in the new Outlook. Many users have reported this issue and requested Microsoft to bring it back. However, there is no official response or solution from Microsoft yet.​
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As a workaround, you can try to use the “View email messages by conversation” feature, which allows you to group and view all messages in the same thread with the same subject line2. To do this, you need to:​
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Go to the View tab and select Show as Conversations in the Arrangement group.​
Choose All Folders or This Folder.​
Click the arrow next to the conversation header to expand or collapse the conversation.​
You can also customize the conversation settings by clicking Conversation Settings in the View tab.​
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You may want to check the helpful links below that is related to the issue:​
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You may also want to submit a feedback from Mciroosft regarding on this issue to help us improve your experience in Microsoft.​
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I hope this helps you find the related messages in Outlook. If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask me.​
We look forward to your response. ​
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Truly Yours, ​
Fatima ​
Microsoft Moderator​
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Ctrl+F has never been "find" in Outlook. At least not for a very, very long time. It's "forward." Try F4.
 
NealRomeoGolf said:
I can do the same.....with OneDrive. Our 80 person company is not all on O365 yet and I can't wait until they are. The separate divisions will actually be able to talk to each other and share files. Will be so nice.
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Agreed. Power and capability have never been Microsoft shortcomings. Their challenge is that in trying to be all things to all enterprises, usability sometimes suffers. MS products work best in an environment with robust IT sysadmin support.
 
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murphey said:
In reality, cloud computing and SaS (software as a service) is really nothing more than going back to the 60s & 70s when people only had dumb terminals and the big servers had all the software and data. Just fancier names and better technology.
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Yes, and the pendulum between centralized and distributed swings back and forth every decade or so.

I am a strong proponent of the distributed approach, as I regularly end up in situations where connectivity is absent or limited. When you're in the middle of the forest out of cell range, online tools are of zero value.
 
For those of us that have worked in IT or software "engineering" (I hate that term for software people) long enough, the cloud stuff is quite nice. I don't look back fondly at making a request for a server, waiting on an infrastructure team to internally quote a time and a "price" to bill our business unit, then wait a month to get something installed in the data center that doesn't even meet our basic needs. Spinning up servers in "the cloud" nearly immediately to get the job done was/is a game changer.

For OP and others, if you use OneDrive just make sure it's set to auto-sync (and actually does it). Mine occasionally just decides to stop syncing. I trust it only slightly more than I did that 3.25" floppy disk that had the only copy of my term paper in college. Have other backups. And that goes the same for Google Drive, iCloud, and others, IMO.
 
mark.staggs said:
For those of us that have worked in IT or software "engineering" (I hate that term for software people) long enough, the cloud stuff is quite nice. I don't look back fondly at making a request for a server, waiting on an infrastructure team to internally quote a time and a "price" to bill our business unit, then wait a month to get something installed in the data center that doesn't even meet our basic needs. Spinning up servers in "the cloud" nearly immediately to get the job done was/is a game changer.
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And then we could get going on containerized deployment. But that's inside geekery. Most non-IT folks have no clue about the difference between remote hosted servers and a true cloud environment.
 
I don't have a problem with Onedrive. I use it, personally, but I am very conscious of where I am saving things to. It's handy for when I need to work on the same documents with both my work PC and my home laptop without having to juggle thumb drives around.

I even used it to share my last book manuscript with my editor. He even used the online (free) Word to edit it, with track changes and comments and all. It worked out really great.
 
What is Onedrive said the linux user...(okay linux has other "issues" but at least ya know what is where and when)
 
dmspilot said:
I don't understand Microsoft. I use the Microsoft Outlook web interface for work and I can't believe how bad it is...it will ding to tell me I have a new message, but it won't actually appear until I click a different folder and then click inbox again. That and a bunch of other problems. Not sure how a $3 trillion company can get basic stuff so wrong.
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Here's another problem with Outlook....if using web-based Outlook, you can't have 2 different email addresses open at the same time You need to start a private webpage and log on there. Unfortunately there are times I need to be logged in into 2 different systems with 2 different user names in Outlook.
 
MIA said:
What is Onedrive said the linux user...(okay linux has other "issues" but at least ya know what is where and when)
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command line forever!
 
murphey said:
Here's another problem with Outlook....if using web-based Outlook, you can't have 2 different email addresses open at the same time You need to start a private webpage and log on there. Unfortunately there are times I need to be logged in into 2 different systems with 2 different user names in Outlook.
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Wouldn't a Private browsing window let you do that?
 
Lindberg said:
Ctrl+F has never been "find" in Outlook. At least not for a very, very long time. It's "forward." Try F4.
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I've killed New Outlook and have Old Outlook running right now as I write this.

Ctl+F is "Find" in a message that is being edited or forwarded, but only when the cursor is in the message. The same key combo is "Forward" from the main message menu.

Go figure, Microsoft. Where every sub-team invents their own user interface.
 
You should try OneDrive on a Mac, where the storage location is iCloud. Not sure what would happen but probably a supernovae.
cowman said:
I would kind of like a cloud storage service that was cross platform between windows, iOS, and mac AND had strong encryption features such that nobody-not even the storage company could recover my files if I lost the password. There probably is one, I just haven't needed the service badly enough to go looking.
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You want NextCloud. Or as I call it, my cloud in my cloud.
 
Installed w11 in a new computer that I built…every time I turn it on it seems to have moved my document folders to a new location.

My conspiracy theory is my old friend, the computer genius, who lives a mile away, comes by from time to time to mess with me

But now I know that it’s bill gates and crew messing with me!

Thx poa
 
MadseasoN said:
Just throwing out ideas here.
Is your save as dialog filtering by PDF file type?

If you have only accessed OneDrive from that particular computer then the local computer 'wins'. Ignore the OneDrive folder or change settings to exclude that folder.

Uninstalling the OneDrive app will not delete the /documents folder. I don't think any folders are deleted during uninstall.

Maybe you edited or deleted files on OneDrive and on the local machine. They got out of sync somehow and you lost your changes.
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Move FORWARD

TURN One Drive OFF. Purchase local file storage. Duplicate you saved documents daily on you local storage.

Shut off bitlocker (bit by bit copy of you HD on the MS Cloud.

Purchase, say “acronis” (or other) and image you SSD HDD to yet another HDD.

= freedom from M-Soft fee based operations.

Go to linux rather than Win 11, for which the above are….impossible.

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cowman said:
I had a weird issue with it a few years back where I'd save a document and go to bed then the next day when I'd open it back up none of my work had been saved. For a while I thought I was just being an idiot and somehow despite decades of computer experience didn't save and managed to ignore the dialogue warning me to save when I closed the program. Nope, something going on with onedrive. I simply don't use it and don't trust it with anything.

I would kind of like a cloud storage service that was cross platform between windows, iOS, and mac AND had strong encryption features such that nobody-not even the storage company could recover my files if I lost the password. There probably is one, I just haven't needed the service badly enough to go looking.
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Try Synology Drive with their C3 cloud service, you set the encrytpion key and if you loose it data is gone.
 
bbchien said:
Move FORWARD

TURN One Drive OFF. Purchase local file storage. Duplicate you saved documents daily on you local storage.

Shut off bitlocker (bit by bit copy of you HD on the MS Cloud.

Purchase, say “acronis” (or other) and image you SSD HDD to yet another HDD.

= freedom from M-Soft fee based operations.

Go to linux rather than Win 11, for which the above are….impossible.

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But I can't share folders from my local storage with someone outside of my network. Not without a lot of effort that I don't care to spend time on. With OD I just click share and send a link. I can cancel that share at will. An off premise backup solution is imperative for me because a backup HDD burning up with the rest of my house is useless. OD is free. Works for me.

Linux? I spend 9+ hours a day on a computer. Last thing I want to do is learn a new OS especially one that is incompatible with everything I use daily.
 
One drive has NOTHING to do with making things better for users. It's entire purpose is to move your data to their environment so they can effectively rent it back to you. It's not a feature of the operating system, it's one of the hooks. Just like heroin, first one is free.

It's not just personal users that are affected. Those businesses that are still running MS OS for core services, and there are a lot, are in the same boat.
 
I didn't read through all the responses so maybe someone already said it. That's what you get for using Microsoft instead of Apple (or even Google) products ;-)
 
Chrisgoesflying said:
I didn't read through all the responses so maybe someone already said it. That's what you get for using Microsoft instead of Apple (or even Google) products ;-)
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Ah yes . . . because there's no Apple iCloud or Google Drive services that charge you for more storage space or additional features, lol.
 
murphey said:
Yup, that's what I meant...."start a private webpage"
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I misunderstood you there. I thought you were suggesting he create private NAS with web access.
 
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